NFL Draft I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. - Page 5

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:03 PM

This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done.

But think of what we accomplished:

We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy.
Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless.
For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds.
A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness.
Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there.
The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first.

There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on.

Good first draft by Pioli.

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look man I'm gonna say what I think, unlike alot of fans I'm not a flip flopper if my opinion is proven to be wrong I'll accept that but I am not going to view everything as all aces because it's my team.

Amazing how ballsy you are. You post zero mocks and you volunteer zero opinions over the course of the draft season except when you are criticizing others (I believe the only thing you volunteered all offseason was Jared Cook?, which by the way no team agreed with you on), and occasionally say things like "four years down the road" etc etc... really ballsy stuff there, when the exact odds of me sticking around here for four years or you even surviving that long are tiny at best. Forget about me actually remembering them.

**buddha** · 04-27-2009, 01:10 AM

What a dreadful collection of sad sacks on this board tonight. Here's the cry of the typical CP nutless wonder:

1. Draft sucked
2. I'm not going to bow down to Pioli and nobody can make me
3. I've been right before, just try and track down my old predictions
4. Every round was a reach
5. When the Chiefs DO get good again, I'll be the guy who said, "I told you so...!"
6. ...until then, I'm the guy who is telling you, "I told you so...!"
7. In the meantime, what worthless FAs are we getting (why bother asking...they will all just suck).
8. Pioli is really no better than King Carl

The list could go on and on, but why bother? I'm convinced that KC was going to get blasted no matter who they chose over the weekend.

Frankly, I have no idea if any of these guys are going to pan out. However, Pioli has credibility...dude has been there and done that. He has the rings to show that he knows what he is doing. That doesn't make him perfect or infallible, but it does give him a pass in my book. I am more than willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation...he has earned that much. If you don't agree, fine. But really...stop and think about it. Why do any of us think they know more than Scott Freaking Pioli?

Mecca · 04-27-2009, 01:20 AM

Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan from what I've seen...

**buddha** · 04-27-2009, 01:28 AM

Mecca, do you count Cassell as part of this draft or not? I think you have to, and I don't recall ANYBODY credible ripping Pioli when that trade was made. I've seen a couple of B grades for the balance of the draft this year...not exactly a scathing grade.

Mecca · 04-27-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

Mecca, do you count Cassell as part of this draft or not? I think you have to, and I don't recall ANYBODY credible ripping Pioli when that trade was made. I've seen a couple of B grades for the balance of the draft this year...not exactly a scathing grade.

I'm not a Cassel fan but I posted this earlier..

They are putting Matt Cassel in a position to fail, I don't think that is a good thing.

**buddha** · 04-27-2009, 01:37 AM

Are you sure that you're a Chiefs fan at this point? Serious question. If everything they are trying to do is so bad, why continue? It can't ALL be that bad, can it?

googlegoogle · 04-27-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll come out and say it:

You should have your head examined. I'm convinced you've taken a serious fall, been in a car accident, something - you've not been your normal self the past couple of weeks.

Maybe you should have yours examined to.

Mecca · 04-27-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

Are you sure that you're a Chiefs fan at this point? Serious question. If everything they are trying to do is so bad, why continue? It can't ALL be that bad, can it?

We can have a logical conversation about it but when someone is just jumping around yelling Pioli like a parrot or acting like all ability to reason left them or cussing at me I'm not going to be nice or friendly with them.

I don't think it's a good draft no matter who was doing the picking. I think we left alot of value on the board.

The draft had alot of depth at OL TE and WR, so we proceeded to take a bunch of defenders in what was acknowledged as a weak defensive year. I understand they think it's a great idea to shoehorn in this defensive scheme and all but um they just traded for Cassel and said he's the guy.

If you're going to do that you have to give him enough to let him have a chance. We didn't upgrade our putrid OL and we didn't get him anyone else to throw to after trading Gonzalez, it's just begging for him to fail.

I don't think it was fair to Matt Cassel he doesn't deserve to get his brains beat in or get injured but the front office may after what they did to him over the course of this weekend.

googlegoogle · 04-27-2009, 01:41 AM

I love the pessimism.

Mecca · 04-27-2009, 01:44 AM

How is that pessimism?

I would tell you the Lions should be questioned for doing the exact same thing.

**TinyEvel** · 04-27-2009, 02:20 AM

I am not by any means a scholar of football either as a player or armchair coach and I think we did pretty well.

I do believe we should be ready to cue the Benny Hill music when our D takes the field if the coaching staff/DC can't get the scheme in line over the next 4 months. But consider how many blown leads we had...games given up in the 4th quarter...maybe D was more important than O. Again, we have needs all over the place on both sides of the ball.

I remember after NE won their first super bowl, the mainstream were touting Tom Brady as the hero but the sports press acknowledged that they were a team of few superstars, just really balanced - everyone working together the same.
I'll rest assured on that information rather than the "this guy should have gone later" and "They reached for that guy" armchair GMs.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-27-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan from what I've seen...

Really, where have you been looking? I am not saying he is getting rave reviews, or "A" draft grades, but I don't see anyone ripping him.

They are ripping Al Davis, they are even ripping the Broncos for trading away next year's first round pick. Don't see them ripping Pioli.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Really, where have you been looking? I am not saying he is getting rave reviews, or "A" draft grades, but I don't see anyone ripping him.

They are ripping Al Davis, they are even ripping the Broncos for trading away next year's first round pick. Don't see them ripping Pioli.

Walterfootball is ripping Pioli a new one every chance he gets, and I usually like the guy.

**kysirsoze** · 04-27-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TinyEvel

I am not by any means a scholar of football either as a player or armchair coach and I think we did pretty well.

I do believe we should be ready to cue the Benny Hill music when our D takes the field if the coaching staff/DC can't get the scheme in line over the next 4 months. But consider how many blown leads we had...games given up in the 4th quarter...maybe D was more important than O. Again, we have needs all over the place on both sides of the ball.

I remember after NE won their first super bowl, the mainstream were touting Tom Brady as the hero but the sports press acknowledged that they were a team of few superstars, just really balanced - everyone working together the same.
I'll rest assured on that information rather than the "this guy should have gone later" and "They reached for that guy" armchair GMs.

Thizzle

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-27-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

We can have a logical conversation about it but when someone is just jumping around yelling Pioli like a parrot or acting like all ability to reason left them or cussing at me I'm not going to be nice or friendly with them.

I don't think it's a good draft no matter who was doing the picking. I think we left alot of value on the board.

The draft had alot of depth at OL TE and WR, so we proceeded to take a bunch of defenders in what was acknowledged as a weak defensive year. I understand they think it's a great idea to shoehorn in this defensive scheme and all but um they just traded for Cassel and said he's the guy.

If you're going to do that you have to give him enough to let him have a chance. We didn't upgrade our putrid OL and we didn't get him anyone else to throw to after trading Gonzalez, it's just begging for him to fail.

I don't think it was fair to Matt Cassel he doesn't deserve to get his brains beat in or get injured but the front office may after what they did to him over the course of this weekend.

I am fine with Tyson Jackson. I wish they could have traded back and got him, but I don't they could have. I don't think the Jets gave them the same offer, but if they did, I don't think that he would have been on the board at 17.

Magee and Washington were both value picks.

After this draft, the Chiefs defensive line should be solid. The Chiefs have versatility and quality along their defensive front.

Dorsey can play end or NT in the 3-4. Jackson, Boone, and Magee can all play inside or outside.

Edwards and Tank Tyler are the 1st/2nd down NT's.

The Chiefs have a ton of options up front now. I don't see this as a bad thing.

As far as Cassel goes, sometimes the most help you can give a young QB is a defense that will take the pressure off of him.

Honestely, I think Curry would have made a bigger impact. I would have rather had Curry. If not Curry, I would have preferred a trade back.

With that said, Jackson plays a position that is harder to fill.

04-26-2009, 09:03 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done. But think of what we accomplished: We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy. Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless. For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds. A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness. Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there. The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first. There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on. Good first draft by Pioli.
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04-27-2009, 01:10 AM	#62
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	What a dreadful collection of sad sacks on this board tonight. Here's the cry of the typical CP nutless wonder: 1. Draft sucked 2. I'm not going to bow down to Pioli and nobody can make me 3. I've been right before, just try and track down my old predictions 4. Every round was a reach 5. When the Chiefs DO get good again, I'll be the guy who said, "I told you so...!" 6. ...until then, I'm the guy who is telling you, "I told you so...!" 7. In the meantime, what worthless FAs are we getting (why bother asking...they will all just suck). 8. Pioli is really no better than King Carl The list could go on and on, but why bother? I'm convinced that KC was going to get blasted no matter who they chose over the weekend. Frankly, I have no idea if any of these guys are going to pan out. However, Pioli has credibility...dude has been there and done that. He has the rings to show that he knows what he is doing. That doesn't make him perfect or infallible, but it does give him a pass in my book. I am more than willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation...he has earned that much. If you don't agree, fine. But really...stop and think about it. Why do any of us think they know more than Scott Freaking Pioli?
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04-27-2009, 01:20 AM	#63
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-562950	Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan from what I've seen...
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04-27-2009, 01:28 AM	#64
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Mecca, do you count Cassell as part of this draft or not? I think you have to, and I don't recall ANYBODY credible ripping Pioli when that trade was made. I've seen a couple of B grades for the balance of the draft this year...not exactly a scathing grade.
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04-27-2009, 01:37 AM	#66
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Are you sure that you're a Chiefs fan at this point? Serious question. If everything they are trying to do is so bad, why continue? It can't ALL be that bad, can it?
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04-27-2009, 01:41 AM	#69
googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I love the pessimism.
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04-27-2009, 01:44 AM	#70
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-562950	How is that pessimism? I would tell you the Lions should be questioned for doing the exact same thing.
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04-27-2009, 02:20 AM	#71
TinyEvel Just a li'l Evel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bald. Goatee. Jorts. Casino cash: $2349601	I am not by any means a scholar of football either as a player or armchair coach and I think we did pretty well. I do believe we should be ready to cue the Benny Hill music when our D takes the field if the coaching staff/DC can't get the scheme in line over the next 4 months. But consider how many blown leads we had...games given up in the 4th quarter...maybe D was more important than O. Again, we have needs all over the place on both sides of the ball. I remember after NE won their first super bowl, the mainstream were touting Tom Brady as the hero but the sports press acknowledged that they were a team of few superstars, just really balanced - everyone working together the same. I'll rest assured on that information rather than the "this guy should have gone later" and "They reached for that guy" armchair GMs.
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