Pollard didnt like being cursed out.

[chiefforlife]

Bernard Pollard didn't like Chiefs' coaches' cursing
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 8, 2009 9:17 AM ET
Texans safety Bernard Pollard started all 16 games for the Chiefs in 2008, but he ended up in Houston after Kansas City cut him just before the start of the 2009 season.

Pollard describes getting cut by the Chiefs as a shock, but he says he thinks he knows what the problem was: He wouldn't put up with new coach Todd Haley and his staff cursing him out.

"With professional athletes, you're dealing with grown men. You're not dealing with boys," Pollard tells the Journal Gazette. "You're not in a locker room with sophomores in high school. You're dealing with grown men with families. I have a wife. I have a son. And I have a daughter on the way. I'm not going to sit there and let you curse me out when you feel like cursing me out or talk to me any way you want to talk to me, and you just want me to sit and take it and say, 'Yes, coach.'"

As ArrowheadPride.com notes, Pollard had a shouting match with Chiefs defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast during training camp, leading to Pollard being sent off the field. Apparently that was not just one isolated incident.

But from Pollard's perspective, it's all worked out. Now he's a starter in Houston.

"I respect others because that's what I want in return," Pollard says. "It was shocking to get let go, but I'm a Texan, and I'm happy to be one."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...aches-cursing/

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by stevieray

it's not brainwashing..it's about maintaining composure under stressful situations.

I find it highly amusing that people are claiming a coach should treat a team with respect that's won three games out of?

..treat em with respect!..because that is exactly what every detractor has doen since Haley got here..treated the players and coaches like grown men...with respect.

Maybe other people are doing this, but I personally don't give two shits about their feelings. What I'm trying to do is argue the reality of the situation. Whether you like it or not, the reality of the NFL is that most of these guys do not respond to this kind of approach because they are already grown men who are multi millionaires. Yeah, I think that this approach might work for guys who are doing everything to stick in the NFL, as they've got a tenuous grip on their jobs, but for players who can find jobs elsewhere, or who are quite talented, I don't think it applies.

I can tell you this. There was no harder screw to walk a turn of the NFL sidelines than Bill Belichick, but he'd never talk to Brady like this. Hell, Brady was bitching at Belichick on the sidelines during one of the games this year.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

How can yelling at players be potential for failure? I'd say picking lousy players is more of a potiental for failure. These guys are paid a lot of money doing exactly what they love to do. They dont work in a ****ing cubicle. Were bitching about yelling and sings. WTF? I'll judge Haley's performance by the players he choses to play for him(I am not happy with him starting Goff still), not by yelling. Do your ****ing job and you wont get yelled at.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Do your ****ing job and you wont get yelled at.

So I guess we can lump Anquan Boldin in that group that doesn't do their job.

If you think getting your players to buy in "because I ****ing said so", doesn't run risks on a team that been residing in the gutter for the last 3 years...

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Maybe other people are doing this, but I personally don't give two shits about their feelings. What I'm trying to do is argue the reality of the situation. Whether you like it or not, the reality of the NFL is that most of these guys do not respond to this kind of approach because they are already grown men who are multi millionaires. Yeah, I think that this approach might work for guys who are doing everything to stick in the NFL, as they've got a tenuous grip on their jobs, but for players who can find jobs elsewhere, or who are quite talented, I don't think it applies.

I can tell you this. There was no harder screw to walk a turn of the NFL sidelines than Bill Belichick, but he'd never talk to Brady like this. Hell, Brady was bitching at Belichick on the sidelines during one of the games this year.

Belichick does talk to Brady "like this", although "like this" is cursing, not yelling. Brady has pointed that out himself, as has Rodney Harrison. I can't find the Brady quotes, but here's Harrison:

Harrison also said Belichick was also just as critical of Brady in practice as he was with the 53rd guy on the team

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/dan...#ixzz0WI30NYO7

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/72403/

Hell, Chiefs fans should know that nobody is safe from Belichick's comments, given the story that Gonzalez has told about his experience with Belichick in the Pro Bowl.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The issue isn't whether or not Pollard is right about this, the fact is that a good number of players feel this way about this approach in general.

Big deal.

This good number of players have won 7 games in 39 chances.

I don't care who's feelings are hurt. Weed them out, get guys here who want to work for wins and respect, and move forward.

[jspchief]

Belichick has won more than 1 game as a head coach.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not saying they do, or they don't.

Like jsp, I'm saying that Haley's approach has a huge potential for failure.

Any approach has huge potential for failure.

I like most of the people on this board that have been criticial of Haley, but it's amazing to see the 2 sides of the fence emerge again in a Bernard Pollard gets his feelings hurt thread.

[Tiger's Fan]

Insubordinate and untalented is a bad combination.

And Stevie, most of these guys have no concept of a DI other than what they've seen in the movies. You can tell by their responses.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Belichick has won more than 1 game as a head coach.

What approach should he have used here?

Herm tried the fatherly figure. Didn't work.

Dick tried the loving grandfather angle. Didn't work.

How can you change a culture in a place that has needed a change for 10 years without being an asshole?

Marty was a real asshole when he came here in 1989, but no one was freaking out about it.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Insubordinate and untalented is a bad combination.

And Stevie, most of these guys have no concept of a DI other than what they've seen in the movies. You can tell by their responses.

Good God, you are one useless dumb****.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Big deal.

This good number of players have won 7 games in 39 chances.

I don't care who's feelings are hurt. Weed them out, get guys here who want to work for wins and respect, and move forward.

Again, you assume that talented and rich NFL players will respond to this without a winning culture already in place. Maybe if you're Parcells or Belichick, they will, but it's hard to get the respect of players doing this, and it's a great way to lose the team ASAP. That's the problem with being a dictator sans results. Look at Mangini.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Big deal.

This good number of players have won 7 games in 39 chances.

I don't care who's feelings are hurt. Weed them out, get guys here who want to work for wins and respect, and move forward.

You're going to have a hard time doing both. Talented established guys aren't going to want to come in and work for a known drill sergeant asshole who may cut him weeks later. A high priced vet is going to avoid a team that is hacking the roster with a chainsaw every other week and treats the players with little respect.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What approach should he have used here?

Herm tried the fatherly figure. Didn't work.

Dick tried the loving grandfather angle. Didn't work.

How can you change a culture in a place that has needed a change for 10 years without being an asshole?

Marty was a real asshole when he came here in 1989, but no one was freaking out about it.

You can still be a disciplinarian and not be an inveterate one who sucks the penis. It's not that hard to comprehend. Firm, but fair.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I knew down inside this was the whole ****ing problem. Being cursed to is one thing but being cussed at and demeaned is something else. We lost a quality player because our coach is a childish puss. He is going to cost us some good players before the beginning of next season and we'll be looking to start over again two years from now when he gets canned.

[Agent V]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I knew down inside this was the whole ****ing problem. Being cursed to is one thing but being cussed at and demeaned is something else. We lost a quality player because our coach is a childish puss. He is going to cost us some good players before the beginning of next season and we'll be looking to start over again two years from now when he gets canned.

Okay, I think you're exaggerating. Pollard is not a "quality" player. He's average at his best. We couldn't even get a seventh rounder out of the guy.