Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 27

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Quite a few people argued that LJ should not have been the starter on this team, actually. I relentlessly beat GoChiefs over the head with a hammer about how ****ing worthless LJ was/is.

milkman was also very outspoken about Charles and even Smith being better options.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post6012592

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5991075

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5991009

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5309982

But I don't work in the NFL, so what do I know?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I honestly don't see why anyone is upset that they thought about trading Charles. Looking back now yeah it would be a stupid looking move but hindsight is 20/20. Herm had him buried on the depth chart as well and he drafted him.

Like I said earlier this doesn't surprise me in the least and I thought this was an old bump thread.

Yeah, rookies usually beat out veterans that are a year removed from back-to-back 1700 yard seasons.

Christ, Dirk.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

And here is my issue with you. No where has this story been confirmed by a legit source! Yet you ran with it like it was from the lips of God himself. The point is, you and some others have complained most of the season about EVERYTHING, or have looked for something to complain about.

Even when we win you are finding something to bitch about. When we win IN DENVER IN DOMINATING FASHION! You still find SOMETHING to complain about.

Do you really think it warrants it? Because I sure as hell don't. When things are looking like shit, I say so. But I don't cherry pick shit just to find a reason to bitch.

We just hung up 44 points on Dungver in their house, a place we haven't won at since 2000 and all you can talk about is player evaluations! From a first year coaching and front office that isn't familiar with these players. Damn, I at least give someone a chance to learn from their mistakes. Try it out.

Do you see me bitching about the outcome of the game? No.

Do you see me bitching about Jamaal Charles? No.

Do you see me bitching about Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson, or Glenn Dorsey? No.

I'm bitching about one thing, and one thing only: talent evaluation. There is no ****ing way that a sane person would think that LJ was the best back for this team, and the results of the entire season bear that out completely. And yet, these same people, who missed so horribly on evaluating our RBs, who call plays like the Castille pass, who give Matt Cassel $63 million before he has taken a snap for us are also the ones who are in charge of rebuilding this team from the ash heap.

Being happy with the results of yesterday (and I am) does not mean that you can't also look forward to the future. That's the entire point of a rebuild. I honestly can't believe that you cannot comprehend this.

When a team is as bereft as we are, you always need to have your eye towards the future. If we were in a Vermeil-esque, win now mode, I can see the point in putting blinders on, but we've got 11 picks in the draft and a free agency period coming up.

How do the moves of this regime, especially in light of what happened yesterday, inspire any confidence in the future?

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

Hell, Dick Vermeil initially thought Priest Holmes was going to be a 3rd down back...

Yep.

And Jared Allen was only supposed to be the long snapper.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post6012592

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5991075

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5991009

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...es#post5309982

But I don't work in the NFL, so what do I know?

Do you work at Kinkos? Cause you copy everything Mecca says- Laz.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

We're going to be okay. We just need a good kicker and a running back.

FAX

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Do you see me bitching about the outcome of the game? No.

Do you see me bitching about Jamaal Charles? No.

Do you see me bitching about Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson, or Glenn Dorsey? No.

I'm bitching about one thing, and one thing only: talent evaluation. There is no ****ing way that a sane person would think that LJ was the best back for this team, and the results of the entire season bear that out completely. And yet, these same people, who missed so horribly on evaluating our RBs, who call plays like the Castille pass, who give Matt Cassel $63 million before he has taken a snap for us are also the ones who are in charge of rebuilding this team from the ash heap.

Being happy with the results of yesterday (and I am) does not mean that you can't also look forward to the future. That's the entire point of a rebuild. I honestly can't believe that you cannot comprehend this.

When a team is as bereft as we are, you always need to have your eye towards the future. If we were in a Vermeil-esque, win now mode, I can see the point in putting blinders on, but we've got 11 picks in the draft and a free agency period coming up.

How do the moves of this regime, especially in light of what happened yesterday, inspire any confidence in the future?

I am quoting this post to show my agreement.

wild1 · 01-04-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Quite a few people argued that LJ should not have been the starter on this team, actually. I relentlessly beat GoChiefs over the head with a hammer about how ****ing worthless LJ was/is.

He held onto that forEVER, and then flip flopped at the last second.

If not for twittergate, he could have put up 2.7ypc all year and he would still be singing his praises.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

You're an asshole.

So, now that that's out of the way, would you like to answer my question?

Third down backs should not be buried on the depth chart for lesser talented players, like say Dantrell Savage or Jackie Battle.

Arguing what the coaches are doing to him is not arguing what his worth is.

Go back to DC, because you're a ****ing idiot in football discussions.

FAX · 01-04-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I honestly don't see why anyone is upset that they thought about trading Charles. Looking back now yeah it would be a stupid looking move but hindsight is 20/20. Herm had him buried on the depth chart as well and he drafted him.

Like I said earlier this doesn't surprise me in the least and I thought this was an old bump thread.

It's kind of funny how selective people can be when it comes to believing Athan's "news".

Still, rumor has it that Pioli had everybody on the trading block at one time or another ... which, if true, would include LJ. The guy is trying to build a team from scratch and needed options.

Anyhow, if it's true that Charles was offered for a 5th, apparently nobody else saw his potential or they would have surely picked him up.

FAX

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep.

And Jared Allen was only supposed to be the long snapper.

And Vermeil's draft record bears that out. That doesn't help your case, dirk.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:03 PM

Personally I'd rather focus on what Pioli will do with the draft picks he acquired from trading scrubs and the old guy.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, rookies usually beat out veterans that are a year removed from back-to-back 1700 yard seasons.

Christ, Dirk.

Who said anything about replacing him how about just 2nd string? You realize he got just 8 attempts in 2 games when LJ was out?

Also LJ wasn't a 1700 yd rusher in 2007 he was a washed 559 yd RB

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Anyhow, if it's true that Charles was offered for a 5th, apparently nobody else saw his potential or they would have surely picked him up.

Our advantage, however, is that other GMs are somewhat fearful to do business with the Executive of the Decade, lest he surely fleece them.

**Donger** · 01-04-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Third down backs should not be buried on the depth chart for lesser talented players, like say Dantrell Savage or Jackie Battle.

Arguing what the coaches are doing to him is not arguing what his worth is.

Go back to DC, because you're a ****ing idiot in football discussions.

So, you are now saying that Jamaal Charles is not only a third down back?

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