Chiefs tried to trade Charles

[Hammock Parties]

http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html

With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

[DeezNutz]

Quite a few people argued that LJ should not have been the starter on this team, actually. I relentlessly beat GoChiefs over the head with a hammer about how ****ing worthless LJ was/is.

milkman was also very outspoken about Charles and even Smith being better options.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I read it. Stating that a guy is going to be our third down back isn't really saying anything other than........he's going to be our third down back.

I don't recall a single person in here calling for Charles to be the starter opening day. I'm sick of people bitching just to bitch.

find another MF'ing team since you hate everything/anything to do with this one.

Wow, nice change of direction there.

If Hamas said that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back then he needs to st.f.u about the player evaluation skills of the front office and bitching about the OP story that so far, doesn't have any teeth. It's ridiculous.

Stating that a guy is going to be our third down back isn't really saying anything other than........he's going to be our third down back.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Donger

Does "third down back" = "buried on the depth chart"?

You know what I've always thought of when I heard 3rd down back? I've thought athletic RB who can catch and simply doesn't get the opportunity to start because they're smaller.

Just give me guys with talent and we can split their carries.

I don't care about their size.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

Does "third down back" = "buried on the depth chart"?

Post a declarative statement for once.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Third down backs and change of pace guys are very valuable. There is no one who expected Charles to rush for 260 yards in a game, but I can damn sure tell you that there were several people who didn't want to sell him off for a late second day pick.

And here is my issue with you. No where has this story been confirmed by a legit source! Yet you ran with it like it was from the lips of God himself. The point is, you and some others have complained most of the season about EVERYTHING, or have looked for something to complain about.

Even when we win you are finding something to bitch about. When we win IN DENVER IN DOMINATING FASHION! You still find SOMETHING to complain about.

Do you really think it warrants it? Because I sure as hell don't. When things are looking like shit, I say so. But I don't cherry pick shit just to find a reason to bitch.

We just hung up 44 points on Dungver in their house, a place we haven't won at since 2000 and all you can talk about is player evaluations! From a first year coaching and front office that isn't familiar with these players. Damn, I at least give someone a chance to learn from their mistakes. Try it out.

[Sure-Oz]

I liked charles starting for us but i didnt know if he'd be able to take the punishment due to his size. so far it looks he is CJ part 2 and they said the same thing about him that he may not carry the load alone. im glad he's proven me wrong so far, he just keeps getting back up.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Saying that Charles was going to be the teams 3rd down back was just a statement of fact. The Chiefs had a starter at the time with a large contract -- Larry Johnson.

But I'm the one who lets dislike color my analysis...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Post a declarative statement for once.

You're an asshole.

So, now that that's out of the way, would you like to answer my question?

[The Bad Guy]

Yes, let's be real mad about Nick Athan pulling stuff out of nowhere again.

The guy is a pathological liar. He's been a liar for a long, long time.

I'm glad there are 26 pages of posts about a claim he made. I wonder if the Al Saunders to Detroit or Corey Dillion to the Chiefs nonsense stories he made up got this much feedback.

[dirk digler]

I honestly don't see why anyone is upset that they thought about trading Charles. Looking back now yeah it would be a stupid looking move but hindsight is 20/20. Herm had him buried on the depth chart as well and he drafted him.

Like I said earlier this doesn't surprise me in the least and I thought this was an old bump thread.

[Titty Meat]

Remember when people on here were saying Scrubtrelle Savage was the next Priest Holmes?

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I honestly don't see why anyone is upset that they thought about trading Charles. Looking back now yeah it would be a stupid looking move but hindsight is 20/20. Herm had him buried on the depth chart as well and he drafted him.

Stop trying to use common sense here man. What are people going to bitch about then?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think we need to turn the page on many of these debates.

The first year for the new regime did NOT go well. There's simply no getting around that. There were failures in the draft, FA, and talent evaluation. Game management was often a travesty.

That said, Pioli and Haley are going to be around in 2010. I'm hopeful they'll have learned from their mistakes, and I'm also ready to start evaluating new decisions from here on out.

I told all the guys that you were smart, Mr. DeezNutz. You can have some of my prop things for this most excellent post.

We're going to be okay. We just need a good kicker and a running back.

FAX

[Titty Meat]

Theres alot of discussion about a trade that didn't happen. One of the only good things Pioli did this year were trades.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yes, let's be real mad about Nick "Assclown" Athan pulling stuff out of nowhere again.

The guy is a pathological liar. He's been a liar for a long, long time.

I'm glad there are 26 pages of posts about a claim he made. I wonder if the Al Saunders to Detroit or Corey Dillion to the Chiefs nonsense stories he made up got this much feedback.

For the record, Frank, I'm not mad.

I'm damn glad it didn't happen.

However, considering the other evidence, and the fact that we've seen first hand that the so-called Executive of the Decade has made some dumb ****ing decisions thus far, I don't see it being out of the realm of possibility.

That's it.

This entire discussion has much more to do with Nick Athan than it does with the actual topic.