Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 36

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm not writing them off. They just haven't given me any reason to think he can pull off the offseason needed to get this thing back on track.

Question:

IYO, what has Pioli done to give you hope he knocks this offseason out of the park?

Well dude...

I called it right away...I knew none of you would like Pioli. Dude, that Patriots fans themselves, until a couple of years ago, ALWAYS hated EVERY single draft...that's just how it was...the Patriots drafted the players they thought fit their system regardless of whether it was a reach or not...

Hey...looking back on it...Tyson Jackson looks like a god awful pick...Matt Cassel looks less than iffy at best...Alex Magee looks like a waste...

You're right, right now...it doesn't look so great.

But like I said, I'm willing to give that draft class and Matt Cassel another year...as well as Pioli and Haley...before I get critical.

I still wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs trade up to take Clausen or Bradford if they fall past 16th or so...they have the pieces and at least we could hedge our bets on Cassel...drafting a QB towards the middle-end of the 1st is like paying for a decent QB2 anyways...and best case scenario is we end up with something similar to the Brees/Rivers situation in San Diego.

I don't feel like getting into that right now...I said all along I wasn't going to let this year impact any thoughts I'd have on Pioli...if you and Hamas want to berate that stance by me and others then so be it.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 01-04-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And FWIW, personally, I would take "one of the worst" as anyone from 16-32.

So if he can come up with 15 QB's he'd rather have than Romo, so be it.

what an awful attempt at a spin. Hamas is still your daddy

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well dude...

I called it right away...I knew none of you would like Pioli. Dude, that Patriots fans themselves, until a couple of years ago, ALWAYS hated EVERY single draft...that's just how it was...the Patriots drafted the players they thought fit their system regardless of whether it was a reach or not...

Hey...looking back on it...Tyson Jackson looks like a god awful pick...Matt Cassel looks less than iffy at best...Alex Magee looks like a waste...

You're right, right now...it doesn't look so great.

But like I said, I'm willing to give that draft class and Matt Cassel another year...as well as Pioli and Haley...before I get critical.

I still wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs trade up to take Clausen or Bradford if they fall past 16th or so...they have the pieces and at least we could hedge our bets on Cassel...drafting a QB towards the middle-end of the 1st is like paying for a decent QB2 anyways...and best case scenario is we end up with something similar to the Brees/Rivers situation in San Diego.

I don't feel like getting into that right now...I said all along I wasn't going to let this year impact any thoughts I'd have on Pioli...if you and Hamas want to berate that stance by me and others then so be it.

YOU called it right away? That we wouldn't like Pioli?

Jesus, dude. There are mountains of posts and thread where we came right out and SAID he wasn't our first choice before he was ever hired.

Hell, I had few expectations to begin with, but he didn't even meet those.

And again, what has Pioli done that gives any impression he can meet your expectations?

Anyone? Feel free. Can anyone answer that question?

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**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

YOU called it right away? That we wouldn't like Pioli?

Jesus, dude. There are mountains of posts and thread where we came right out and SAID he wasn't our first choice before he was ever hired.

Hell, I had few expectations to begin with, but he didn't even meet those.

And again, what has Pioli done that gives any impression he can meet your expectations?

Anyone? Feel free. Can anyone answer that question?

well i, for one, am glad that he has taken his time and seen for himself if the players we had could fit in his system. i'm also glad that he didnt go out and break the bank on high (over) priced free agents BEFORE seeing first if we had someone that could play whatever role they would have played in our system. thats the key to me. we kept tank around until it was pretty obvious that he wasnt fitting then we got something for him.

hey man be glad pioli didnt take your advice on thigpen. he got a 5th rounder out of the guy YOU would have cut

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

well i, for one, am glad that he has taken his time and seen for himself if the players we had could fit in his system. i'm also glad that he didnt go out and break the bank on high (over) priced free agents BEFORE seeing first if we had someone that could play whatever role they would have played in our system. thats the key to me. we kept tank around until it was pretty obvious that he wasnt fitting then we got something for him.

hey man be glad pioli didnt take your advice on thigpen. he got a 5th rounder out of the guy YOU would have cut

And he cut players that are performing damn well for other teams.

Your point?

C'mon, Jason. Even the casual fan knew what this team had - next to nothing.

There's no excuse for not upgrading the talent. None.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-04-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think we need to turn the page on many of these debates.

The first year for the new regime did NOT go well. There's simply no getting around that. There were failures in the draft, FA, and talent evaluation. Game management was often a travesty.

That said, Pioli and Haley are going to be around in 2010. I'm hopeful they'll have learned from their mistakes, and I'm also ready to start evaluating new decisions from here on out.

This. I know if they make the same stupid decisions this yr, I'm done. I won't trust single thing they do. Most of us are skeptical of them anyway. I know I am now. I was drinking the Pioli Kool-aid last yr. After a season of fail, they need to show us something.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And he cut players that are performing damn well for other teams.

Your point?

C'mon, Jason. Even the casual fan knew what this team had - next to nothing.

There's no excuse for not upgrading the talent. None.

How would he know how some of these guys would fit in the NEW system? had they played extensively in it before?

who was cut that is performing "well" for another team? which player"s" plural.

pollard? pollard couldnt tackle for shit for THIS TEAM never did and IMO never would have. why? **** i dont know. but the guy missed how many tackles in the preseason for us? how many against the seahawks alone? look at the gif'ed up thread and see how well pollard played for us.

Abba-Dabba · 01-04-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WhitiE

ohhh i was wondering why i felt so at home....

I'm not one that's going to argue that...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

How would he know how some of these guys would fit in the NEW system? had they played extensively in it before?

who was cut that is performing "well" for another team? which player"s" plural.

pollard? pollard couldnt tackle for shit for THIS TEAM never did and IMO never would have. why? **** i dont know. but the guy missed how many tackles in the preseason for us? how many against the seahawks alone? look at the gif'ed up thread and see how well pollard played for us.

So you ignore acquiring talent because the leftovers MIGHT be serviceable in the new scheme?

Are you kidding me?

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you ignore acquiring talent because the leftovers MIGHT be serviceable in the new scheme?

Are you kidding me?

so you would bitch if he came in and cut everyone and some of them went on to be serviceable players elsewhere, and you will bitch when he keeps some and they end up not working out.

so what would have made YOU happy? to bring in half a roster of upgrades while not cutting anyone?

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So you ignore acquiring talent because the leftovers MIGHT be serviceable in the new scheme?

Are you kidding me?

and what did we lose this year? we came out right about where YOU predicted us to be. why does it matter that we didnt get there just how you would have liked it

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so you would bitch if he came in and cut everyone and some of them went on to be serviceable players elsewhere, and you will bitch when he keeps some and they end up not working out.

so what would have made YOU happy? to bring in half a roster of upgrades while not cutting anyone?

Who said anything about coming in and whacking everyone?

I'm saying it's no excuse to ignore bringing in a pass rushing OLB via the draft or FA just because you want to see if Hali can do it.

****. That.

You acquire talent first and foremost. If Hali ends up being serviceable, even better. You can mow move him to the other side, which is a gaping ****ing hole, or at worst have quality depth at a position you previously had nothing at.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and what did we lose this year? we came out right about where YOU predicted us to be. why does it matter that we didnt get there just how you would have liked it

Record wise, sure.

But talent wise, this team is no better today than it was when Pioli took over.

Wait, scratch that, he acquired a solid PK, and a WR3.

Carry on.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Record wise, sure.

But talent wise, this team is no better today than it was when Pioli took over.

Wait, scratch that, he acquired a solid PK, and a WR3.

Carry on.

didnt he also get a 5 tech that we didnt have to start with? also a couple of linemen the could probably work out for a year or two.

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