Chiefs Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson? - Page 16

Deberg_1990 · 08-11-2008, 08:00 PM

Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

Mr. Laz · 01-10-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

True.

But I don't think there's a single team with the history of the Chiefs that can lay claim to the fact that they have never, in franchise history, drafted and developed their own QB.

no doubt ... our drafting has sucked major ass.

one of the worse in the entire league ... that's why we suck so bad.

Mecca · 01-10-2010, 08:50 PM

Who was it that use to argue that the Chiefs draft history was on par with most of the rest of the league?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-10-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Every team could do this shit about every draft, every year.

nobody selects the guy they should every round ... you just gotta hope you get a few quality players each draft.

WRONG.

Teams that consistently draft well also consistently WIN.

Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NY Giants, Indianapolis, San Diego, Philadelphia and Green Bay consistently draft well and don't reach. The result is year after year after year in the playoffs with the occasional Super Bowl appearance and win.

The Cardinals are another example of a franchise that has consistently drafted well but didn't hire the right coach until 2006. That team is LOADED with talent.

RippedmyFlesh · 01-10-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Never? Sort of.

That's the last time we tried. ****.

We've fans of one of the most pussy franchises in the ****ing league.

There prob isn't a qb in kc top 10 all time qbs that was drafted by kc...think about that ..dawson montana green gannon ...brodie croyle is 18th all time kc qb in yardage...
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...er-passing.htm

my hope is cassel is a stop gap and we finally draft a qb that plays more than 3 years

**DeezNutz** · 01-10-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

There prob isn't a qb in kc top 10 all time qbs that was drafted by kc...think about that ..dawson montana green gannon ...brodie croyle is 18th all time kc qb in yardage...
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...er-passing.htm

my hope is cassel is a stop gap and we finally draft a qb that plays more than 3 years

It's a prolific list of shit and a major piece of evidence for why this franchise has become a punchline.

RippedmyFlesh · 01-10-2010, 08:56 PM

Mike Livingston was prob the best qb ever drafted. Kenney played more but livingston contrbited to the only ring. He did the job when we needed it.

DaWolf · 01-10-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Kevin Kietzman is generally a dumbass, so use this as the preface to my comment. However...

For years he's said that if you don't have a franchise QB and you're in the position to draft the player who is regarded as the best or second best QB in the draft, you absolutely have to do it.

Can't say I disagree.

You don't have to do it. The Texans certainly didn't have to draft David Carr, and the Niners certainly didn't have to draft Alex Smith, and they'd have probably been better for it. It's not always a slam dunk...

**BossChief** · 01-10-2010, 09:10 PM

Aaron Rodgers is a big reason I wanted Orakpo in the draft.

Let me explain.

Back in 2005, I wanted no part of Rodgers because he was a cal QB and because of the fact Kyle Boller failed so badly coming out of Cal, I thought Aaron would follow that model and not be prepared enough to play in the NFL and we could help the team better in going in a different direction. Mainly by taking the highest rated defender on the board.

I loved the DJ pick like everyone else.

Boy was I wrong. Crow has been served long ago on the topic.

I think many people didn't want to draft Orakpo because of the school he came out of and the fact that Vernon Gholsten had just been taken that high and looked to be a huge bust. Orakpo had the production, the elite measureables and other indicators that he is more than a workout warrior, that he could truly be a elite pass rusher at the next level but doubt remained none the less.

doubt = risk

risk = possible loss

Im more of a gambler than Pioli is obviously. I could see how much a difference a elite pass rusher could make by the difference in the teams defensive quality overall with and without Jared, so to me it was worth the risk.

milkman · 01-10-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

You don't have to do it. The Texans certainly didn't have to draft David Carr, and the Niners certainly didn't have to draft Alex Smith, and they'd have probably been better for it. It's not always a slam dunk...

I think both Carr and Smith were reaches, and certainly not in the same class as a gut like Matt Stafford.

Does that mean that Stafford will pan out?

No.

But I don't believe you should reach for a QB that high simply because he's the best in an otherwise bad class.

Though I thought that Rogers was the best in that badd class that Smith came out in.

**DeezNutz** · 01-10-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

You don't have to do it. The Texans certainly didn't have to draft David Carr, and the Niners certainly didn't have to draft Alex Smith, and they'd have probably been better for it. It's not always a slam dunk...

You have to factor in some common sense.

Vince Young might have been one of the top 2 QBs in that class, but I don't touch him with a 10-foot pole.

Kids with poor mechanics or coming from spread offenses should almost immediately be crossed off the list, barring extenuating reasons (see: athletic freak of nature).

**The Bad Guy** · 01-10-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Aaron Rodgers is a big reason I wanted Orakpo in the draft.

Let me explain.

Back in 2005, I wanted no part of Rodgers because he was a cal QB and because of the fact Kyle Boller failed so badly coming out of Cal, I thought Aaron would follow that model and not be prepared enough to play in the NFL and we could help the team better in going in a different direction. Mainly by taking the highest rated defender on the board.

I loved the DJ pick like everyone else.

Boy was I wrong. Crow has been served long ago on the topic.

I think many people didn't want to draft Orakpo because of the school he came out of and the fact that Vernon Gholsten had just been taken that high and looked to be a huge bust. Orakpo had the production, the elite measureables and other indicators that he is more than a workout warrior, that he could truly be a elite pass rusher at the next level but doubt remained none the less.

doubt = risk

risk = possible loss

Im more of a gambler than Pioli is obviously. I could see how much a difference a elite pass rusher could make by the difference in the teams defensive quality overall with and without Jared, so to me it was worth the risk.

So basically if you want heads, you pick tails?

Mecca · 01-10-2010, 09:20 PM

That post doesn't make much sense, explain how Texas has had SO MANY guys fail then?

Texas players are a risk just because of that program they come from.

The_Doctor10 · 01-10-2010, 09:21 PM

Look at it this way: Rodgers spent three years learning under statistically the greatest QB in NFL history. And Favre didn't go out of his way to make things easy; he said when Rodgers was drafted 'I'm not here to babysit Aaron Rodgers'. He made #12 work for his respect, and over the course of three years, it was earned. He received excellent coaching during those three years when he only played a handful of snaps, and wasn't rushed into a situation he wasn't ready for.

Who was he going to learn from in KC? Nobody. He was going to be thrown into the fire at the first available opportunity without the coaching staff correcting the mechanical issues he had coming out of Cal. And then he'd be just as big a disappointment as Alex Smith, if not more so.

Basileus777 · 01-10-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You have to factor in some common sense.

Vince Young might have been one of the top 2 QBs in that class, but I don't touch him with a 10-foot pole.

Kids with poor mechanics or coming from spread offenses should almost immediately be crossed off the list, barring extenuating reasons (see: athletic freak of nature).

This post is kind of ironic given that Rodgers fell in the draft in part due to his association with Jeff Tedford.

If anything, Rodgers is proof that those kind of stereotypes aren't always right.

RippedmyFlesh · 01-10-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think both Carr and Smith were reaches, and certainly not in the same class as a gut like Matt Stafford.

Does that mean that Stafford will pan out?

No.

But I don't believe you should reach for a QB that high simply because he's the best in an otherwise bad class.

Though I thought that Rogers was the best in that badd class that Smith came out in.

To me that's why you take the best qb if you can if ending up with rodgers in a "bad' year" sign me up.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1615912	Aaron Rodgers is a big reason I wanted Orakpo in the draft. Let me explain. Back in 2005, I wanted no part of Rodgers because he was a cal QB and because of the fact Kyle Boller failed so badly coming out of Cal, I thought Aaron would follow that model and not be prepared enough to play in the NFL and we could help the team better in going in a different direction. Mainly by taking the highest rated defender on the board. I loved the DJ pick like everyone else. Boy was I wrong. Crow has been served long ago on the topic. I think many people didn't want to draft Orakpo because of the school he came out of and the fact that Vernon Gholsten had just been taken that high and looked to be a huge bust. Orakpo had the production, the elite measureables and other indicators that he is more than a workout warrior, that he could truly be a elite pass rusher at the next level but doubt remained none the less. doubt = risk risk = possible loss Im more of a gambler than Pioli is obviously. I could see how much a difference a elite pass rusher could make by the difference in the teams defensive quality overall with and without Jared, so to me it was worth the risk. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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The_Doctor10 Everyone else is 'peasants' Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $9914900	Look at it this way: Rodgers spent three years learning under statistically the greatest QB in NFL history. And Favre didn't go out of his way to make things easy; he said when Rodgers was drafted 'I'm not here to babysit Aaron Rodgers'. He made #12 work for his respect, and over the course of three years, it was earned. He received excellent coaching during those three years when he only played a handful of snaps, and wasn't rushed into a situation he wasn't ready for. Who was he going to learn from in KC? Nobody. He was going to be thrown into the fire at the first available opportunity without the coaching staff correcting the mechanical issues he had coming out of Cal. And then he'd be just as big a disappointment as Alex Smith, if not more so. __________________ Fly Eagles Fly Patrick Mahomes has a losing record in Super Bowls that Kyle Shanahan is not the opposing HC. Tom Brady still the GOAT.
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