Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high

[dirk digler]

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

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I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

[B_Ambuehl]

See now a Greg Williams scheme would be perfect for a guy like Berry. Those type of defenses need good safety's with range, athleticism, and great anticipation. Dick Lebeau and Rex Ryan both make good use of safety talent because of their zone pressures. What a lot of people don't realize is the parcells/pees/patriots 3-4 is one of the more conservative D's. Parcells was playing traditional cover 2 (just a little bit different than tampa 2) with the Giants back in the 80's. Pioli is most likely like McDouche in his thinking, who thought Mike Nolan blitzed too much and brought in a more conservative coach. These type of football coaches want to beat you with physicality up front, size and power at every position on the front 7, tackle the ball, and make you earn your way down the field trusting you'll eventually make a mistake. A Greg Williams, Rex Ryan, W. Phillips type of scheme wants to force you into mistakes knowing you're apt to get some big plays on them every now and then. A guy like Berry can be a good player in any scheme, but he's best suited to an agressive style.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Who has more value?

Ed Reed or Jon Stinchcomb?

PS - I can't pick another right tackle because NO OTHER RIGHT TACKLE MADE THE 2010 PRO BOWL.

Now, can you tell me why?

Well, considering that Stinchcomb just won a Super Bowl, and Ed Reed hasn't even been to one, and the Ravens have only won two playoff games since he's been drafted, I'd say Stinchcomb.

Also, tell me how the Chiefs offensive line performed with John Welbourn at right tackle versus John Tait.

[Hammock Parties]

And guess where the Saints drafted Stinchcomb....THE SECOND ROUND.

[AustinChief]

I don't relish the idea of passing on Berry... BUT with as many holes as we have.. if we got Miami's 2nd and 6th out of the deal... I would be hard pressed to not take it. Still LOADS of "playmakers" at #12 and the 2nd round this year is where the true value lies.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Well, considering that Stinchcomb just won a Super Bowl, and Ed Reed hasn't even been to one, and the Ravens have only won two playoff games since he's been drafted, I'd say Stinchcomb.

What the ****? What kind of ****ing reasoning is this? Are you also going to tell me linebacker has more positional value because Scott Fujita just won a Super Bowl? Christ almighty.

Also, tell me how the Chiefs offensive line performed with John Welbourn at right tackle versus John Tait.

They both played on top-ranked offenses. That's because neither offense was crucially dependent on the performance of the right ****ing tackle.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Raiders are going to take Pierre Paul.

Some dipshit will I'm sure. I can't imagine who though, and it's hard to see the Raiders taking him that high when they have a huge need at left tackle and two tackles available in this draft ran a 4.8 40.

Although, if Michael Johnson fell to the third round in last years draft, I don't see why JPP is a guaranteed first round lock.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

What the ****? What kind of ****ing reasoning is this? Are you also going to tell me linebacker has more positional value because Scott Fujita just won a Super Bowl? Christ almighty. They both played on top-ranked offenses. That's because neither offense was crucially dependent on the performance of the right ****ing tackle.

if ever there were a time for the Tom Cruise laughter gif....



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[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Who was more important to New Orleans' Super Bowl run, Darren Sharper or their magnificent Pro Bowl right tackle, Jon Stinchcomb?

Stinchcomb.

Porter and Harper both outplayed Sharper in the playoffs.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Stinchcomb.

Porter and Harper both outplayed Sharper in the playoffs.

didn't Sharper have a critical interception or two?

(i'm not poking at you...seriuosly I can't remember).

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Stinchcomb.

Porter and Harper both outplayed Sharper in the playoffs.

You are ****ing nuts. Sharper had nine interceptions during the regular season and three ****ing touchdowns! He had more passes defensed than ANY OTHER SAFETY IN THE LEAGUE and MOST of the cornerbacks. How the **** is a right tackle going to compete with that?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Stinchcomb.

Porter and Harper both outplayed Sharper in the playoffs.

[Hammock Parties]

I bet if I searched for posts by Saccopoo about Eugene Monroe I could end up punching my monitor. And by the way, he was ****ing terrible last year.

[teedubya]

This is me teetering on the edge of not giving a **** about the Chiefs....

[Ralphy Boy]

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. King is making a generalization based on his own assumptions, he has no real knowledge of how Pioli will draft.

He spent the #10 pick on a ILB in Mayo.
Fact is Pioli's "history" is that he has spent a higher draft pick on a safety (Merriweather #24) than he has on a o-linemen (Mankins #32).

That is unless you count his limited involvement with the Jonathan Ogden (4) pick in 1996 or the Steve Everitt (14) in 1993.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

What the ****? What kind of ****ing reasoning is this? Are you also going to tell me linebacker has more positional value because Scott Fujita just won a Super Bowl? Christ almighty. They both played on top-ranked offenses. That's because neither offense was crucially dependent on the performance of the right ****ing tackle.

In a 3-4, yes, a linebacker has greater positional value than a free safety.

Especially the 3-4 that Crennel is going to run where the three down linemen are completely responsible for the gaps on the offensive line and the linebackers are required to be the "playmakers" of the defense.