Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high

[dirk digler]

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/

I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

[Goldmember]

Originally Posted by Dayze

but a majority of teams that win a SB do so with a franchise (ie 1st round ) pick.

IMO, that's the main thing.

at #5, there are really only a handful of positions worth of drafting that high.
QB, LT (already have one), DT (already have 2).
arguments can be made for Safety,WR, DB, and RB in some drafts. Of those, there are no top 5 picks in there with the exception of Berry.

so, for me; that leaves QB if you're at 5 and a QB is sitting there.

It's a high risk decision that CP and Pioli (somewhat understandable in his first year) didn't have the balls to make-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...worth-the-risk

Twenty quarterbacks who entered the league between 1970 and 2006 have started for teams that won the Super Bowl, and of those 20, 11 were drafted in the first round. Of all quarterbacks drafted in the first round, 14 percent have started on the team that won the Super Bowl.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Goldmember

It's a high risk decision that CP and Pioli (somewhat understandable in his first year) didn't have the balls to make-

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...worth-the-risk

Twenty quarterbacks who entered the league between 1970 and 2006 have started for teams that won the Super Bowl, and of those 20, 11 were drafted in the first round. Of all quarterbacks drafted in the first round, 14 percent have started on the team that won the Super Bowl.

I should've quantified my post; I was mainly going off the last 10 year window of SB winning QBs etc. Moreover, the teams that drafted a QB in the first and built their OL in the mids.

Definitely high risk, I agree. But, IMO it's time for the risk.

[Mecca]

Not surprised, Pioli values big fat bodies and there's probably a few reasons for that..

In his history with NE big fat bodies are basically 90% of his good picks, he is a big fat body himself and use to play a fat body position..

I've said for a long time I didn't think he'd have any interest in taking Berry.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Okay. Then I follow your lead and hope we get a good guard with one of our fifth round picks.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm in favor of the Chiefs spending any pick past the first round on the line this year. In fact, if they want to spend both 2nd rounders on linemen, fine by me.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

or a great player at a position of ACTUAL need...Berry

Trent Williams has been considered the best right tackle for the past two years. I'd argue that right tackle has higher positional value than safety, and we have just as great a need at right tackle as we do free safety. Actually more if you consider we have Page at free safety versus Seamus O'Murphy at right tackle.

Would you be okay with drafting Trent Williams with the #5 pick based on your previous statement of "a great player at a position of ACTUAL need?"

nope..we just have to keep burning our 1st round picks on LT until sackofbats thinks one is cute enough...

I'd be more than happy to draft a quarterback with our first pick, when there is one that actually has the potential to be a NFL franchise level quarterback. Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett or potentially Blaine Gabbert would be more than acceptable as our first round selection in next years draft.

[Mecca]

If the Chiefs take Trent Williams with a top 5 pick my head will ****ing explode, you could trade down to like 13 and pick him, the first teams with interest in him will be SF/Seattle.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'd argue that right tackle has higher positional value than safety

Who has more value?

Ed Reed or Jon Stinchcomb?

PS - I can't pick another right tackle because NO OTHER RIGHT TACKLE MADE THE 2010 PRO BOWL.

Now, can you tell me why?

[Mecca]

People need to get over this, the heavy passing league that the NFL has become has spiked the value of playmakers in the secondary.

Safety is no longer a position to hide guys or put guys that can't cover.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If the Chiefs take Trent Williams with a top 5 pick my head will ****ing explode, you could trade down to like 13 and pick him, the first teams with interest in him will be SF/Seattle.

I was posing a hypothetical situation based on the concept of drafting talent at a position of need as it relates to positional value.

I'd be a bit miffed as well if they picked Williams with the #5 pick, and agree that he'll most likely be there with a pick in the 10-13 range barring a possible selection by the Raiders, which actually might happen as he ran a nearly identical 40 yard dash to Campbell and had better measurables in most of the other Combine drills as well as having a better/more regarded college career in a better conference than Bruce.

At this point, I have a hard time thinking that the Raiders would pass on Williams with their first round pick.

[Mecca]

The Raiders are going to take Pierre Paul.

[B_Ambuehl]

Both Pioli and Haley are Parcells followers. I'd ask 2 questions:

A: What's the highest Parcells has ever drafted a safety?

B: How would Polamalu or Ed Reed do in a Parcells defense?


Parcells (and Crennels) D's are very conservative. They don't take chances and create opportunities for playmakers in the secondary.

Even if this football team did draft Berry 3/4 of the people would be bitching that he doesn't make plays in Crennel's scheme.

[Hammock Parties]

Who was more important to New Orleans' Super Bowl run, Darren Sharper or their magnificent Pro Bowl right tackle, Jon Stinchcomb?

[Mecca]

Cleveland used a couple of 2's on safeties with Crennel there, Pioli I believe was part of the Eric Turner pick at 2, as was Belichick.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

A: What's the highest Parcells has ever drafted a safety?

First pick of Parcells' coaching career was a safety. 1st round. Terry Kinard.

Lawyer Milloy w/Pats. 2nd round.

Interestingly enough it seems Parcells liked to take a lot of linemen and linebackers early.

Maybe we can draft the next Bobby Carpenter.

[DeezNutz]

RT > safety in the '10 NFL.

Sigh.