Football The Bizarre Cult Of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys - Page 3

Skyy God · 05-12-2011, 02:08 PM

http://deadspin.com/5800887/the-biza...er-nfl-fanboys

Here's a tidy summation of how we've managed to get to where we are with the NFL lockout. A few years ago, the players and owners agreed to a new CBA, with only Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown voting against the agreement, in Wilson's case because he's old and easily confused by things.

Then, almost immediately after that agreement was approved, all the other owners suddenly decided WHOA HEY! THIS AGREEMENT BLOWS! And so, this March, they opted out of that agreement and locked out the players. The players, for their part, were happy with the terms of the original CBA and wanted to keep playing. But then Roger Goodell, who is a ****ing stooge, told the world that players being happy with the CBA means the CBA is totally unfair.

Now, the players decided to break up and sue the NFL to get the lockout lifted, which it was for seven seconds leading up to the draft back in April. The owners then fought to have the lockout reinstated while they appealed, and managed to temporarily prevail. So here we have one side that has shut down the operations of football TWICE, and another side who A.) didn't instigate the lockout and B.) sued to STOP the lockout and get football played again. This is now the longest work stoppage in NFL history, and it is the result of a labor battle initiated by the owners. Those are facts. It should seem obvious whose cause you, Mr. NFL Fan, ought to get behind.

So it baffles and angers me that there appears to be actual people out there who are squarely in the owners' corner when it comes to this labor war. I went to this post at PFT the other day, where Florio outlines a rumor about the league going out of business if they lose their appeal, and the number of pro-owner comments were just … ****ing … I don't even know. They must be plants. They have to be plants. That's the only explanation. How else do you explain comments like these? (Click to enlarge.)

It's like a group of people went directly to their computers after walking out of a screening of Atlas Shrugged. You can find reeruned commenters at virtually any Internet forum (why, just scroll down!), but the idea that there are people out there who would like to see the owners succeed in PREVENTING THE PLAYING OF ACTUAL NFL GAMES to spite NFL players strikes me as … what's the word? Oh, right. ****ING INSANE. Please God, let these people be planted there by Jerry Richardson. Don't tell me there are people out there this breathtakingly hardheaded.

Do you know how many NFL teams are owned by people who inherited their respective franchises? Eleven. ELEVEN. Over one third of all NFL teams belong to people who did nothing to deserve them except shoot out of the right uterus or **** the right spouse. Two more NFL teams are owned by scions of American industrial giants (the Lions and Jets). And somehow this makes them business geniuses who deserve to lock out their employees and rob the country of its favorite sport? Really? The same shrewd people who apparently screwed themselves into such an allegedly shitty labor deal not but a few years ago? Is there ANY situation in which a billionaire can be ****ing wrong, then? Or is their wealth simply an overriding character trait that trumps all flaws?

There's a distinctly political turn to much of these lockout arguments among fans. I guess if you think the players are right (and I do), that makes you a dirty liberal and there can't possibly be a decent case to be made. All unions are bad, which means the NFL players are ungrateful and lazy and deserve to be booted out on their ass because the owners are the beginning and end of why the NFL is successful.

No success is ever entirely self-made. Billionaires don't just crawl out of a ****ing swamp and then work 23-hour days until they're filthy rich and deserving of every penny. There are a million factors that go into the making of a successful person, and hard work is merely one of them. There's an element of luck. There's certainly an element of breeding. There's an element of good timing, of catching the wave at the precise right moment. All of those things factor in, not to mention the millions upon millions of tax dollars used to subsidize the stadiums many of these fine gentlemen happen to now own. But these pro-owner people seem to believe that NFL owners are ****ing magical money unicorns that came out of a glowing cistern on a mountaintop, and they have carte blanche to strongarm people accordingly.

I hope they're planted by the league. I really do, though some polls suggest otherwise. Because if you are a real, living, breathing person and you're actually rooting for the league to continue to, you know, not playing, then you can go ****ing die. If you have a beef with the union breaking up and suing the NFL, then you're too stupid to understand that suing the league was essentially ALL the players could do, because for years now the owners have been hellbent on losing games in the 2011 season specifically to squeeze more money out of the players, as much as humanly possible. Many owners didn't bother to show up for the initial negotiating sessions in March. They want their lockout, and they're going to exhaust every shitty, awful option they can to make it happen. And they sure as shit don't care about your concerns in the process. You're the fan. You're just a ****ing sheep.

Meanwhile, the players, who used legal recourse to return to the field, are the bad guys? Why? Because you think they may try and get rid of the draft, even though that will NEVER happen? (And it should be noted here that getting rid of the draft and making all incoming rookies free agents is far more in the spirit of unbridled capitalism, though that apparently only matters if the beneficiaries of said system are white billionaire one who sucks the peniss.) Are you that ****ing dumb? The idea that players are just dumb assholes who should be grateful that their noble employer sees fit to pay them ANYTHING is a bizarre and downright feudal stance to take. These strike me as the thoughts of someone with a massive political blind spot, where your politics so utterly consume you that you can't be bothered with the reality staring you in the face. This doesn't need to be a political argument, and yet there are people out there desperate to make it precisely that.

I love football. Football is pretty much what I live for, and it seems to me that only the players are interested in making football a reality this fall. So if you're somehow on the side of management in this NFL dispute, please know that you are wrong and that you are stupid and that I ****ing hate you.

**RNR** · 05-12-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FishingRod

It may be a tired phrase but watching Billionaires and Millionaires squabble over money and act if they are being taken advantage of, just doesn’t play very well to the average Joe. You know normal people that work hard all year long just to stay above water. The owners were smart enough to realize that being a gifted athlete does not make a Pearson the sharpest tool in the box and they (the owners) have been pretty quiet and let the players make the occasional asinine statement like comparing their plight to that of Slaves. More than anything the owners could have said or done statements such as these show clearly that the little guy in this issue isn’t really anything like employees in other professions.

Thats a fact we root and pay and the players and owners look at us as the foils that afford their life style~

jjjayb · 05-12-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie

Do you know how many NFL teams are owned by people who inherited their respective franchises? Eleven. ELEVEN. Over one third of all NFL teams belong to people who did nothing to deserve them except shoot out of the right uterus or **** the right spouse.

Jealous much? Get over it. You weren't born from the right uterus so work for what you want. Doesn't mean you have to begrudge people who were. I'm going to work my ass off to leave what I can to my child. You don't think that's fair?

**kysirsoze** · 05-12-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

I blame the owners for the crisis. But although "how we got here" may piss me off, once I accept that the old CBA is done/over, we have to consider what is best going forward. Players want no salary cap. As long as they are fighting to the death over that issue, I'll be hoping the owners more or less "win", only for the sake of my team actually having a chance to compete down the road.

I'm sorry but can I get a link? All I ever read is that while the palyers suit could pave the way for no salary cap, the players at large want a cap so there is a salary floor. This makes way more sense to me than your "fighting to the death" theory.

bowener · 05-12-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The players started the lockout by decertifying...which is a sham to begin with..and are the ones that walked away from the bargaining table. Not the owners.

****ING WRONG. Get your shit straight, son.

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Originally Posted by FishingRod

It may be a tired phrase but watching Billionaires and Millionaires squabble over money and act if they are being taken advantage of, just doesn’t play very well to the average Joe. You know normal people that work hard all year long just to stay above water. The owners were smart enough to realize that being a gifted athlete does not make a Pearson the sharpest tool in the box and they (the owners) have been pretty quiet and let the players make the occasional asinine statement like comparing their plight to that of Slaves. More than anything the owners could have said or done statements such as these show clearly that the little guy in this issue isn’t really anything like employees in other professions.

WTF are you talking about? I have heard plenty of dumb mother ****ers in my life that have said shit that was far more stupid than anything I have heard or read an NFL player saying. WTF?

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

The owners opted out of a CBA that was making them Billions.

FYP

**Dave Lane** · 05-12-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

btw ... the author of the article is a complete moron.

He is basing his decision completely on the emotion of "i like football players and hate billionaire owners". He is the same kind of stupid tard who will be sitting around in 20 years going "How could the idiot football owners let the NFL get this screwed up" after siding against the owners about the very start of the screw-up process.

I bet he sided against the baseball owners back when that shit got all ****ed up too.

Thank god there isn't anyone that feels the other way around about this issue right Laz?

I'd probably side with the owners if they came straight and came at me clean but seriously this ****ing lying they have been promoting is quite sad. I don't like being talked down to and treated like a moron. I'm sure Laz is used to that but I'm not.

vailpass · 05-12-2011, 04:51 PM

Haters will always hate. Neither the owners nor the players give a crap about any of us. Both sides need to and will come together to hammer out a deal.

**notorious** · 05-12-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Have you ever been a business owner in which your product is the employee?

In almost every business the product is the owner/employee.

I sale, install, and refinish hardwood floor. They purchase my product because they are purchasing me. They could go to Home Depot and get similar shit for cheaper, but I sell them myself and my employees while the actual product is almost an afterthought.

We have a fairly rare skillset, but not nearly as rare as a 260 lb LB that can run a 4.5 40. I can't just go out and hire anyone off the street to fill an opening, just like an NFL player. If I don't find one, I will be patient until someone with the skills fits the bill.

The NFL will be the same way. If the current players do not want to work for millions, the NFL will shut down until they buckle and accept the new terms, or wait for a new crop of the same skill level players coming out of college that are fine with working for lower pay.
It will take time (5-10 years), but the level of play will come back.

It won't get that far. Owners will shut it down and watch the players slowly implode.

**Dave Lane** · 05-12-2011, 05:01 PM

I heard Nick Wright actually completely lay out what I'm talking about the other night. I was shocked I thought I was the only one. If the owners had come out and said the following:

You know the economy has changed, things are a little bit tougher right now. Our financial statements are fine. We are making money right now, but with the advent of HD TV and so many more people staying home we need to do something.

We need a portion of the revenue to reinvest in the game, to upgrade the stadiums to give the fans a reason to come there instead of staying home. With the economy and municipalities becoming increasingly unable to subsist themselves, we can no longer count on them to help us, so we have to turn to the players to help us invest in the long term of the game.

Now if they had just come clean and been truthful

A) the players may have looked at projections and said OK

B) I would understand where they are coming from and agree that maybe its time the players agree to a stadium upgrade slush fund.

But this crap Goodell is spreading round about player safety, fans demanding extra games blah blah blah is a sham and they expect everyone to just go "Duuup OK then"

Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-12-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

In almost every business the product is the owner/employee.

Hardly. The product here is football. NFL players are among the worlds best athletes.

Fans come to watch the players.

No one gives a shit what the owners are doing on Sundays.

**notorious** · 05-12-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Hardly. The product here is football. NFL players are among the worlds best athletes.

Fans come to watch the players.

No one gives a shit what the owners are doing on Sundays.

I misread the question.

Sorry, my business is 80% me, 15% product, and 5% employee.

**Dave Lane** · 05-12-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I misread the question.

Sorry, my business is 80% me, 15% product, and 5% employee.

Yep thats the way a small business should be

**notorious** · 05-12-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Yep thats the way a small business should be

You flatter me so.

I need the pickup after BCD figured out I was talking out of my ass.

Garcia Bronco · 05-12-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I suppose the players are the ones who opted out of the CBA right?

Opting out of contract as part of said contract is not starting a lockout. It just meams the, NFL, at the contractually appointed time want to redo the contract.

**Ming the Merciless** · 05-12-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

qft

Just Passin' By · 05-12-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The players started the lockout by decertifying...which is a sham to begin with..and are the ones that walked away from the bargaining table. Not the owners.

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Opting out of contract as part of said contract is not starting a lockout. It just meams the, NFL, at the contractually appointed time want to redo the contract.

How the **** do you not see your logic problem here?

05-12-2011, 02:08 PM
Skyy God 11-5, baby Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Livin the dream Casino cash: $2191557	The Bizarre Cult Of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys http://deadspin.com/5800887/the-biza...er-nfl-fanboys Here's a tidy summation of how we've managed to get to where we are with the NFL lockout. A few years ago, the players and owners agreed to a new CBA, with only Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown voting against the agreement, in Wilson's case because he's old and easily confused by things. Then, almost immediately after that agreement was approved, all the other owners suddenly decided WHOA HEY! THIS AGREEMENT BLOWS! And so, this March, they opted out of that agreement and locked out the players. The players, for their part, were happy with the terms of the original CBA and wanted to keep playing. But then Roger Goodell, who is a **ing stooge, told the world that players being happy with the CBA means the CBA is totally unfair. Now, the players decided to break up and sue the NFL to get the lockout lifted, which it was for seven seconds leading up to the draft back in April. The owners then fought to have the lockout reinstated while they appealed, and managed to temporarily prevail. So here we have one side that has shut down the operations of football TWICE, and another side who A.) didn't instigate the lockout and B.) sued to STOP the lockout and get football played again. This is now the longest work stoppage in NFL history, and it is the result of a labor battle initiated by the owners. Those are facts. It should seem obvious whose cause you, Mr. NFL Fan, ought to get behind. So it baffles and angers me that there appears to be actual people out there who are squarely in the owners' corner when it comes to this labor war. I went to this post at PFT the other day, where Florio outlines a rumor about the league going out of business if they lose their appeal, and the number of pro-owner comments were just … ing … I don't even know. They must be plants. They have to be plants. That's the only explanation. How else do you explain comments like these? (Click to enlarge.) It's like a group of people went directly to their computers after walking out of a screening of Atlas Shrugged. You can find reeruned commenters at virtually any Internet forum (why, just scroll down!), but the idea that there are people out there who would like to see the owners succeed in PREVENTING THE PLAYING OF ACTUAL NFL GAMES to spite NFL players strikes me as … what's the word? Oh, right. ING INSANE. Please God, let these people be planted there by Jerry Richardson. Don't tell me there are people out there this breathtakingly hardheaded. Do you know how many NFL teams are owned by people who inherited their respective franchises? Eleven. ELEVEN. Over one third of all NFL teams belong to people who did nothing to deserve them except shoot out of the right uterus or the right spouse. Two more NFL teams are owned by scions of American industrial giants (the Lions and Jets). And somehow this makes them business geniuses who deserve to lock out their employees and rob the country of its favorite sport? Really? The same shrewd people who apparently screwed themselves into such an allegedly shitty labor deal not but a few years ago? Is there ANY situation in which a billionaire can be ing wrong, then? Or is their wealth simply an overriding character trait that trumps all flaws? There's a distinctly political turn to much of these lockout arguments among fans. I guess if you think the players are right (and I do), that makes you a dirty liberal and there can't possibly be a decent case to be made. All unions are bad, which means the NFL players are ungrateful and lazy and deserve to be booted out on their ass because the owners are the beginning and end of why the NFL is successful. No success is ever entirely self-made. Billionaires don't just crawl out of a ing swamp and then work 23-hour days until they're filthy rich and deserving of every penny. There are a million factors that go into the making of a successful person, and hard work is merely one of them. There's an element of luck. There's certainly an element of breeding. There's an element of good timing, of catching the wave at the precise right moment. All of those things factor in, not to mention the millions upon millions of tax dollars used to subsidize the stadiums many of these fine gentlemen happen to now own. But these pro-owner people seem to believe that NFL owners are ing magical money unicorns that came out of a glowing cistern on a mountaintop, and they have carte blanche to strongarm people accordingly. I hope they're planted by the league. I really do, though some polls suggest otherwise. Because if you are a real, living, breathing person and you're actually rooting for the league to continue to, you know, not playing, then you can go ing die. If you have a beef with the union breaking up and suing the NFL, then you're too stupid to understand that suing the league was essentially ALL the players could do, because for years now the owners have been hellbent on losing games in the 2011 season specifically to squeeze more money out of the players, as much as humanly possible. Many owners didn't bother to show up for the initial negotiating sessions in March. They want their lockout, and they're going to exhaust every shitty, awful option they can to make it happen. And they sure as shit don't care about your concerns in the process. You're the fan. You're just a ing sheep. Meanwhile, the players, who used legal recourse to return to the field, are the bad guys? Why? Because you think they may try and get rid of the draft, even though that will NEVER happen? (And it should be noted here that getting rid of the draft and making all incoming rookies free agents is far more in the spirit of unbridled capitalism, though that apparently only matters if the beneficiaries of said system are white billionaire one who sucks the peniss.) Are you that ing dumb? The idea that players are just dumb assholes who should be grateful that their noble employer sees fit to pay them ANYTHING is a bizarre and downright feudal stance to take. These strike me as the thoughts of someone with a massive political blind spot, where your politics so utterly consume you that you can't be bothered with the reality staring you in the face. This doesn't need to be a political argument, and yet there are people out there desperate to make it precisely that. I love football. Football is pretty much what I live for, and it seems to me that only the players are interested in making football a reality this fall. So if you're somehow on the side of management in this NFL dispute, please know that you are wrong and that you are stupid and that I **ing hate you.
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Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	I heard Nick Wright actually completely lay out what I'm talking about the other night. I was shocked I thought I was the only one. If the owners had come out and said the following: You know the economy has changed, things are a little bit tougher right now. Our financial statements are fine. We are making money right now, but with the advent of HD TV and so many more people staying home we need to do something. We need a portion of the revenue to reinvest in the game, to upgrade the stadiums to give the fans a reason to come there instead of staying home. With the economy and municipalities becoming increasingly unable to subsist themselves, we can no longer count on them to help us, so we have to turn to the players to help us invest in the long term of the game. Now if they had just come clean and been truthful A) the players may have looked at projections and said OK B) I would understand where they are coming from and agree that maybe its time the players agree to a stadium upgrade slush fund. But this crap Goodell is spreading round about player safety, fans demanding extra games blah blah blah is a sham and they expect everyone to just go "Duuup OK then" Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining. __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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