Chiefs Free agents following this year. - Page 4

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 10:47 AM

2012 is going to be a VERY challenging offseason for the Chiefs. If we want to continue getting better as a team, we need to find a way to get a lot done in a very small amount of time.

I tried to limit this list of FAs to players we are relatively certain will be Chiefs throughout 2011.

QB: none
RB: Thomas Jones
FB: Le'Ron McClain

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban
TE: Leonard Pope

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson
OG: none
C: Casey Wiegmann

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio
DE: Wallace Gilberry

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler
OLB: Andy Studebaker

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels
S: Jon McGraw,

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA)

That's a potentially turbulent offseason. Pioli needs to get his deals done now.

ToxSocks · 08-16-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

When did Charles sign?

About the same time, no?

I thought he got one like a month or so later. Right before the Titans game, wasn't it?

ct · 08-16-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I bet you shit chocolate.

Only the best for you sire

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I thought he got one like a month or so later. Right before the Titans game, wasn't it?

Not sure... I'm pretty sure he got his after DJ's though.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

RB: Thomas Jones - gone, because of age
FB: Le'Ron McClain - gone, because he's hear on a 1-year prove deal

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban - sign bowe,
urban=meh

TE: Leonard Pope - stays IF he signs cheap

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson - Gaither is gone because he's here to prove and then get paid. All the red flags are still there.

Richardson depends on whether he develops

OG: none

C: Casey Wiegmann - gone, unless Hudson sucks

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio - Gregg stays if he is productive and is will to sign cheap

DE: Wallace Gilberry - depends on this year

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler - Siler is in prove mode and Belcher is restricted.

OLB: Andy Studebaker - already signed?

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels - Flowers and Carr stay, Daniels who cares

S: Jon McGraw. - time to cut the string imo but who knows

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) - stays

I'm sorry but if Gaither is a franchise LT, you franchise his ass and you pay him.

Mr. Laz · 08-16-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

So what you're saying is.....we only have 3 guys worth re-signing.....Possibly 4. 2 of which will likely get done during the season and 1 will get tagged.

Re-signing 4 key guys with the kind of cap space we have is not difficult.

i don't see a problem unless one of the key guys goes crazy with money demands.

Bowe might go nuts but i don't see the others doing it.

most of the guys are middle tier guys who can be replaced if they ask too much.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-16-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm sorry but if Gaither is a franchise LT, you franchise his ass and you pay him.

I don't think anyone will argue with that statement.

Not many people realistically see him turning into said Franchise LT

Mr. Laz · 08-16-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm sorry but if Gaither is a franchise LT, you franchise his ass and you pay him.

so you franchise tag/give huge money to a guy who finally stayed healthy and finally stayed focused during his big contract year?

dangerous move

At most, i would think they would franchise tag and wait another year before they give him a big contract.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

I don't think anyone will argue with that statement.

Not many people realistically see him turning into said Franchise LT

Then our decisions are considerably easier.

What if he's a good RT?

What if he's a Pro Bowl RT?

What if he turns out to play LT pretty damn well?

A lot of people dismissing these possibilities in this thread. Kicking the can down the road so they don't have to sound hypocritical when they criticize Pioli for whatever he does in the offseason.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

so you franchise tag/give huge money to a guy who finally stayed healthy and finally stayed focused during his big contract year?

dangerous move

At most, i would think they would franchise tag and wait another year before they give him a big contract.

Doing that wouldn't eliminate your concern, then.

Mr. Laz · 08-16-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Doing that wouldn't eliminate your concern, then.

not eliminate but letting him run one year on a tag deal would make him stay healthy/focused for 2 years straight which is a lot better than just the one year.

**kysirsoze** · 08-16-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like who? People keep referring to that but the only guy worth a shit that I've ever seen them let walk was Asante Samuel.

And even so, there is way to tell it were BB or Scott pulling the trigger.

Nobody answered this. Who other than Samuel?

I always thought he and Belichick used guys up and released them at exactly the right time.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-16-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Then our decisions are considerably easier.

What if he's a good RT?

What if he's a Pro Bowl RT?

What if he turns out to play LT pretty damn well?

A lot of people dismissing these possibilities in this thread. Kicking the can down the road so they don't have to sound hypocritical when they criticize Pioli for whatever he does in the offseason.

Not necessarily dismissing it. I don't think anyone would be sad to see him turn into mainstay on the line (except Knowmo). But no one is going to be surprised to see a guy that was just cut from his team after missing an entire year, to not turn into a Franchise Left Tackle. He might end up being a decent backup, he might supplant Richardson on the right side. He might not even make it out of camp. I hope your expectations of him turn out to be true, and he turns into that marquee player.

booger · 08-16-2011, 12:41 PM

Gaither just sat out last season with a bad back and rightfully or not his love of the game was questioned. KC got him for 685K according to the mega thread i think on a 1 yr deal. He and Matt Roth are clients of Rosenhaus who sent out emails saying Roth would do a 1 yr deal for 3m and Gaither a one yr for 1.5m.

I'm glad we got him and hope he starts at one of the 2 spots but expecting to franchise him or get into a bidding war for him is a big stretch at this point. Maybe wait and see him take a few snaps first.

DJ and Charles got their deals done and both took less than they would have on the open market at the start of free agency. The contract wasn't that important to them as far as being the highest paid. Not unlike a lot of players they had a choice to take the money or wait and see what they could get and where they would play. I imagine as soon as possible they will talk long term deals with whoever was willing to. These guys are coming off their rookie deals so losing out on a few million or so probably won't be that big of deal.

Depends on who has which agent and all of that too. Tamba obviously wanted to wait it out to get a top deal since he lead the league in sacks. Will see who wants to wait or who will take the cash. They just came off of a lockout where they didn't get their bonus money, were told by the NFLPA to save for that instance and i'm sure some didn't and had plenty to be concerned about until the CBA agreement was reached.

KC is in a very good situation to do how ever many of these deals as they can before the start of FA next year. It does take two to tango though so we will see. Gilberry, a guy in his shoes may realize that his best fit would be in a 4-3 if he wants the most playing time and to earn the most contract wise. It's just the flat out truth with his situation. Or he could try to bulk up to 290 more or less to be a full time player and risk losing some speed.

By the numbers of whose contract is up and who these guys are it's gonna be hard to say it will be an easy task to come out of it batting 1.000. Heartbreak of losing out on one player at least is probably a given. But i don't see it as such a desperate situation as some do.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-16-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

2012 is going to be a VERY challenging offseason for the Chiefs. If we want to continue getting better as a team, we need to find a way to get a lot done in a very small amount of time.

I tried to limit this list of FAs to players we are relatively certain will be Chiefs throughout 2011.

QB: none
RB: Thomas Jones
FB: Le'Ron McClain

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban
TE: Leonard Pope

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson
OG: none
C: Casey Wiegmann

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio
DE: Wallace Gilberry

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler
OLB: Andy Studebaker

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels
S: Jon McGraw,

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA)

That's a potentially turbulent offseason. Pioli needs to get his deals done now.

All I care about is the bold - Gaither is underlined assuming he plays well in 2011.

The rest are replaceable.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-16-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

All I care about is the bold - Gaither is italicized assuming he plays well in 2011.

The rest are replaceable.

They all look italicized to me.

08-16-2011, 10:47 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Free agents following this year. 2012 is going to be a VERY challenging offseason for the Chiefs. If we want to continue getting better as a team, we need to find a way to get a lot done in a very small amount of time. I tried to limit this list of FAs to players we are relatively certain will be Chiefs throughout 2011. QB: none RB: Thomas Jones FB: Le'Ron McClain WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban TE: Leonard Pope OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson OG: none C: Casey Wiegmann NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio DE: Wallace Gilberry ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler OLB: Andy Studebaker CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels S: Jon McGraw, ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) That's a potentially turbulent offseason. Pioli needs to get his deals done now.
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08-16-2011, 12:41 PM	#58
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2281450	Gaither just sat out last season with a bad back and rightfully or not his love of the game was questioned. KC got him for 685K according to the mega thread i think on a 1 yr deal. He and Matt Roth are clients of Rosenhaus who sent out emails saying Roth would do a 1 yr deal for 3m and Gaither a one yr for 1.5m. I'm glad we got him and hope he starts at one of the 2 spots but expecting to franchise him or get into a bidding war for him is a big stretch at this point. Maybe wait and see him take a few snaps first. DJ and Charles got their deals done and both took less than they would have on the open market at the start of free agency. The contract wasn't that important to them as far as being the highest paid. Not unlike a lot of players they had a choice to take the money or wait and see what they could get and where they would play. I imagine as soon as possible they will talk long term deals with whoever was willing to. These guys are coming off their rookie deals so losing out on a few million or so probably won't be that big of deal. Depends on who has which agent and all of that too. Tamba obviously wanted to wait it out to get a top deal since he lead the league in sacks. Will see who wants to wait or who will take the cash. They just came off of a lockout where they didn't get their bonus money, were told by the NFLPA to save for that instance and i'm sure some didn't and had plenty to be concerned about until the CBA agreement was reached. KC is in a very good situation to do how ever many of these deals as they can before the start of FA next year. It does take two to tango though so we will see. Gilberry, a guy in his shoes may realize that his best fit would be in a 4-3 if he wants the most playing time and to earn the most contract wise. It's just the flat out truth with his situation. Or he could try to bulk up to 290 more or less to be a full time player and risk losing some speed. By the numbers of whose contract is up and who these guys are it's gonna be hard to say it will be an easy task to come out of it batting 1.000. Heartbreak of losing out on one player at least is probably a given. But i don't see it as such a desperate situation as some do. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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