Chiefs Free agents following this year. - Page 3

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 10:47 AM

2012 is going to be a VERY challenging offseason for the Chiefs. If we want to continue getting better as a team, we need to find a way to get a lot done in a very small amount of time.

I tried to limit this list of FAs to players we are relatively certain will be Chiefs throughout 2011.

QB: none
RB: Thomas Jones
FB: Le'Ron McClain

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban
TE: Leonard Pope

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson
OG: none
C: Casey Wiegmann

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio
DE: Wallace Gilberry

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler
OLB: Andy Studebaker

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels
S: Jon McGraw,

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA)

That's a potentially turbulent offseason. Pioli needs to get his deals done now.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

(a.) Pioli has stated multiple times now that keeping home grown players is his #1 Priority. If we've learned anything about Pioli since he came here it's that he's unpredictable.

(b) Overworking yourself to retain two corners? Really? That's a real stretch. Also, lets not forget the fact that we'll see new contracts during the season. He's not going to wait till the end of the season to lock all these guys up.

I've already addressed the "during the season" question.

As for the home grown players issue, look no further than Pioli's time in New England. He routinely let good players go when the numbers didn't match.

You have to make very, very tough decisions. I would place money on the idea that we're going to lose somebody important.

ToxSocks · 08-16-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

And I guess we just outbid 31 other teams trying to land Brandon Flowers.

Yeah, because 31 other teams would be bidding for Flowers.......

C'mon....

We have zero reason to believe that the Chiefs won't lock up both corners, while we have every reason to believe they'll keep them.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2011, 11:51 AM

We just need to get Flowers, Carr, Succop and Bowe signed.

The rest are definitely expendable.

Losing good players is just something happens. If Gilberry puts up 10 sacks this year the Chiefs are not going to be able to afford him. Just something you have to live with.

DJ's left nut · 08-16-2011, 11:51 AM

We have the makings of the best secondary in the league. I would definitely retain Carr and Flowers.

I'd also....well tamper, I guess...with Fitzgerald. I know you can't legally do it, but I'm certain that Pioli could bump into Fitz's agent somewhere and take his temperature. If Bowe costs, hell, $20 million in guaranteed money to retain (complete WAG), I'd pay a 25% premium on that to get Fitzgerald instead. Fitz is only a yr older than Bowe and with his hands, he'll be productive longer. He's still the ideal Chief, IMO.

And with his body control, think of how much he could teach Baldwin. His contract will not allow the Cardinals to franchise him.

You're running a risk, certainly. If you lose Fitz, then Bowe probably walks as well. And ultimately I like Bowe, but I'd risk him for a good shot at Fitzgerald.

Tender Belcher at a 2nd, Succop at a 3rd and call it good.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

DJ was the only in-season deal we made in 2010.

Charles was the only in-season deal we made in 2011.

These are difficult deals to make -- typically these deals get made in the 11th hour. To make a big deal with no deadline during the season? Very difficult to get the player to the table enough to land the deal.

I think we'll see ONE BIG DEAL during the season, my guess would be Flowers. But chances are, we're not going to be able to get everybody locked up by the time free agency arrives.

Keep in mind this team desperately needs to keep Gilberry, too.

2009 and 2010, by the way, not 2010 and 2011.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

DJ was the only in-season deal we made in 2010.

Charles was the only in-season deal we made in 2011.

They both signed in 2010 during the season, did they not?

DJ was awful in 2009.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Yeah, because 31 other teams would be bidding for Flowers.......

C'mon....

We have zero reason to believe that the Chiefs won't lock up both corners, while we have every reason to believe they'll keep them.

You don't need 31 teams. You just need ONE team willing to pay him a bloated contract. Period. I'd say the odds are very good that happens if we let him go.

We don't have ZERO reason, be honest with yourself. We have numerous reasons.

ToxSocks · 08-16-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've already addressed the "during the season" question.

As for the home grown players issue, look no further than Pioli's time in New England. He routinely let good players go when the numbers didn't match.

You have to make very, very tough decisions. I would place money on the idea that we're going to lose somebody important.

Like who? People keep referring to that but the only guy worth a shit that I've ever seen them let walk was Asante Samuel.

And even so, there is way to tell it were BB or Scott pulling the trigger.

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

They both signed in 2010 during the season, did they not?

DJ was awful in 2009.

You might be right. I'm thought DJ's deal was redone towards the end of 2009 though.

**SAUTO** · 08-16-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm thinking because of his age.....not his talent level. Plus I'm hoping that Powe adjusts well and starts next year.

ok.

Hammock Parties · 08-16-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You might be right. I'm thought DJ's deal was redone towards the end of 2009 though.

He got a big deal with nice guaranteed money in Nov 2010.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2010/11/0...sons-contract/

Mr. Laz · 08-16-2011, 11:55 AM

RB: Thomas Jones - gone, because of age
FB: Le'Ron McClain - gone, because he's here on a 1-year prove deal

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban - sign bowe,
urban=meh

TE: Leonard Pope - stays IF he signs cheap

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson - Gaither is gone because he's here to prove and then get paid. All the red flags are still there.

Richardson depends on whether he develops

OG: none

C: Casey Wiegmann - gone, unless Hudson sucks

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio - Gregg stays if he is productive and is will to sign cheap

DE: Wallace Gilberry - depends on this year

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler - Siler is in prove mode and Belcher is restricted.

OLB: Andy Studebaker - already signed?

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels - Flowers and Carr stay, Daniels who cares

S: Jon McGraw. - time to cut the string imo but who knows

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) - stays

Direckshun · 08-16-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

He got a big deal with nice guaranteed money in Nov 2010.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2010/11/0...sons-contract/

When did Charles sign?

About the same time, no?

ToxSocks · 08-16-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

RB: Thomas Jones - gone, because of age
FB: Le'Ron McClain - gone, because he's hear on a 1-year prove deal

WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban - sign bowe,
urban=meh

TE: Leonard Pope - stays IF he signs cheap

OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson - Gaither is gone because he's here to prove and then get paid. All the red flags are still there.

Richardson depends on whether he develops

OG: none

C: Casey Wiegmann - gone, unless Hudson sucks

NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio - Gregg stays if he is productive and is will to sign cheap

DE: Wallace Gilberry - depends on this year

ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler - Siler is in prove mode and Belcher is restricted.

OLB: Andy Studebaker - already signed?

CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels - Flowers and Carr stay, Daniels who cares

S: Jon McGraw. - time to cut the string imo but who knows

ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) - stays

So what you're saying is.....we only have 3 guys worth re-signing.....Possibly 4. 2 of which will likely get done during the season and 1 will get tagged.

Re-signing 4 key guys with the kind of cap space we have is not difficult.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-16-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've already addressed the "during the season" question.

As for the home grown players issue, look no further than Pioli's time in New England. He routinely let good players go when the numbers didn't match.

You have to make very, very tough decisions. I would place money on the idea that we're going to lose somebody important.

...and he would never take a Safety that high, it was going to be a tackle, Pioli doesn't draft playmakers. It's BS.

08-16-2011, 10:47 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Free agents following this year. 2012 is going to be a VERY challenging offseason for the Chiefs. If we want to continue getting better as a team, we need to find a way to get a lot done in a very small amount of time. I tried to limit this list of FAs to players we are relatively certain will be Chiefs throughout 2011. QB: none RB: Thomas Jones FB: Le'Ron McClain WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban TE: Leonard Pope OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson OG: none C: Casey Wiegmann NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio DE: Wallace Gilberry ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler OLB: Andy Studebaker CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels S: Jon McGraw, ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) That's a potentially turbulent offseason. Pioli needs to get his deals done now.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $920478	We just need to get Flowers, Carr, Succop and Bowe signed. The rest are definitely expendable. Losing good players is just something happens. If Gilberry puts up 10 sacks this year the Chiefs are not going to be able to afford him. Just something you have to live with. __________________ Chiefs game films
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-740901	We have the makings of the best secondary in the league. I would definitely retain Carr and Flowers. I'd also....well tamper, I guess...with Fitzgerald. I know you can't legally do it, but I'm certain that Pioli could bump into Fitz's agent somewhere and take his temperature. If Bowe costs, hell, $20 million in guaranteed money to retain (complete WAG), I'd pay a 25% premium on that to get Fitzgerald instead. Fitz is only a yr older than Bowe and with his hands, he'll be productive longer. He's still the ideal Chief, IMO. And with his body control, think of how much he could teach Baldwin. His contract will not allow the Cardinals to franchise him. You're running a risk, certainly. If you lose Fitz, then Bowe probably walks as well. And ultimately I like Bowe, but I'd risk him for a good shot at Fitzgerald. Tender Belcher at a 2nd, Succop at a 3rd and call it good. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	RB: Thomas Jones - gone, because of age FB: Le'Ron McClain - gone, because he's here on a 1-year prove deal WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban - sign bowe, urban=meh TE: Leonard Pope - stays IF he signs cheap OT: Jared Gaither, Barry Richardson - Gaither is gone because he's here to prove and then get paid. All the red flags are still there. Richardson depends on whether he develops OG: none C: Casey Wiegmann - gone, unless Hudson sucks NT: Kelly Gregg, Anthony Toribio - Gregg stays if he is productive and is will to sign cheap DE: Wallace Gilberry - depends on this year ILB: Jovan Belcher (RFA), Brandon Siler - Siler is in prove mode and Belcher is restricted. OLB: Andy Studebaker - already signed? CB: Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Travis Daniels - Flowers and Carr stay, Daniels who cares S: Jon McGraw. - time to cut the string imo but who knows ST: Ryan Succop (RFA) - stays __________________ Last edited by Mr. Laz; 08-16-2011 at 12:11 PM..
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