Football This hit is illegal? Foster v Ocho - Page 5

**pr_capone** · 08-18-2011, 11:13 PM

I may be wrong but it looks like Foster lit him up square in the chest well after Ocho had caught the ball.

I understand protecting a WR with this defenseless receiver rule but this looks clean. Does the NFL expect defenders to concede the catch? If so, prepare for the NFL equivalent of a soccer flop, basketball's jumping into the defender to draw a foul, and baseball's acting as if hit by pitch.

/not my own video

JD10367 · 08-19-2011, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

When they showed it on TV, I was watching Live and slowed it down from the end zone view (QB View) it looked as though thier helmets collided to me.

This. Helmet-to-helmet. End of story.

DBOSHO · 08-19-2011, 07:21 AM

The nfl needs a new commissioner who isnt such a pussy. If that happened to us(hypothetical) in the first round of the playoffs, with the other team down 6 with a minute left and we got that call, i would ****ing explode.

DBOSHO · 08-19-2011, 07:24 AM

On a side note, im really suprised belichick didnt make chad change his name back to johnson.

Molitoth · 08-19-2011, 07:25 AM

Clean hit, let them play.

JD10367 · 08-19-2011, 07:27 AM

It was a helmet-to-helmet (problem 1). The guy led with the crown of his helmet as if spearing (problem 2). The receiver could be determined to be defenseless (problem 3). Thus, there are probably three different penalties they could've called.

I liked the hit. It was a football hit. It was a manly hit. It reminded me of the old days. But the rules are the rules. This is the game as it's played today. If that video was grainy and from the 70s, it would've been awesome, but in the 21st century it'll get called a penalty, whether we like it or not.

**loochy** · 08-19-2011, 08:20 AM

Hell, even if it was illegal, I say it was worth the penalty to get a hit on that douchebag.

Backwards Masking · 08-19-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

The nfl needs a new commissioner who isnt such a pussy. If that happened to us(hypothetical) in the first round of the playoffs, with the other team down 6 with a minute left and we got that call, i would ****ing explode.

This x 1000. I'm severely disappointed in all my fellow planateers defending the call here. 10-15 years ago NOBODY would have accepted this. Everyone realize the refs definition of "defenseless" is as open to interpretation as judging a painting in a museum right? Yeah, I know "there's a clear set of rules that make the defintion crystal clear". Anyone who thinks the definition will be applied equally without bias or fuck up across all 32 teams in the league throughout an entire season is in severe denial, and must not have watched football in the last 5-10 years, especially the Goodell era.

Frazod · 08-19-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

Hell, even if it was illegal, I say it was worth the penalty to get a hit on that douchebag.

This. Legal or not, I enjoyed it.

|Zach| · 08-19-2011, 04:56 PM

Bump for hilarity.

ToxSocks · 08-19-2011, 04:58 PM

When I first saw that play It almost seemed like Brady hung him out to dry on purpose just to send him a message.

"This is my team, ****er, and I will kill you."

Joe Seahawk · 08-19-2011, 05:02 PM

twitter.com/#!/ochocinco

@Mason_Foster great hit last night,if u're fined I'll reimburse u boss.That's the way the game should b played.Stay healthy n have a good yr

Aries Walker · 08-19-2011, 05:47 PM

From the NFL films video linked by Just Passin' By: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos...ts-of-emphasis. This video very clearly explains rules changes for this year, 2011.

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Originally Posted by 1:18

It is illegal to hit a defenseless player in the head or neck area with the helmet, face mask, forearm, or shoulder, or to make contact with the crown or forehead hairline parts of the helmet to any part of his body. Players in a defenseless posture [include, among others] a receiver in the act of making a catch, or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner.

The ref ruled Ochocinco as "defenseless" because he was in the act of making a catch. That said, being defenseless does not mean that any hit on him is automatically illegal. The illegal hits on a defenseless player are, as stated in the video and transcribed above:

a) [Helmet/Face Mask/Forearm/Shoulder] vs. [Head or Neck],
or
b) [Crown or Forehead of the Helmet] vs. [Anything].

This is the first of those cases. Foster used either his shoulder or his head to hit Ochocinco in the head while Ochocinco was defenseless, and therefore, yes, it was an illegal hit. It may also be the second of the cases, but I couldn't tell which part of Foster's helmet hit Ochocinco.

So MagicHef was right. Smed1065 was not.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 08-19-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Seahawk

twitter.com/#!/ochocinco

@Mason_Foster great hit last night,if u're fined I'll reimburse u boss.That's the way the game should b played.Stay healthy n have a good yr

Love it. Mason is off to a ggreat start in the preseason. Love them dawgs1

threebag · 08-19-2011, 08:37 PM

Expressed written consent of the NFL?

Demonpenz · 08-19-2011, 09:21 PM

I think kids these days should be taught to tackle not just hit. If he tries to tackle ocho right there instead of going to blast him Chad doesn't catch the ball and it is legal.

08-18-2011, 11:13 PM
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08-19-2011, 07:21 AM	#62
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08-19-2011, 07:25 AM	#64
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08-19-2011, 07:27 AM	#65
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	It was a helmet-to-helmet (problem 1). The guy led with the crown of his helmet as if spearing (problem 2). The receiver could be determined to be defenseless (problem 3). Thus, there are probably three different penalties they could've called. I liked the hit. It was a football hit. It was a manly hit. It reminded me of the old days. But the rules are the rules. This is the game as it's played today. If that video was grainy and from the 70s, it would've been awesome, but in the 21st century it'll get called a penalty, whether we like it or not.
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08-19-2011, 09:21 PM	#75
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $-303864	I think kids these days should be taught to tackle not just hit. If he tries to tackle ocho right there instead of going to blast him Chad doesn't catch the ball and it is legal. __________________
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