Chiefs Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or... - Page 8

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 12:00 AM

Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case.

First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Robert Griffin, Baylor
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
OT Matt Kalil, USC
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception.

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina
OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
OG David DeCastro, Stanford
DT Devin Still, Penn State
DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick.

It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation.

Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples).

That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions.

Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either.

That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.

**Rausch** · 01-11-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

We have a need for RB. Jamaal cannot carry the load.

He doesn't have to.

We need to resign McClain, Dump 2Yrd Thomas, keep Battle, and draft another "banger" in the later (4-7) rounds.

That will give us our 5-7 touches a game to McCluster, 12-15 to Charles, and short yardage/4th quarter stuff to Battle and the draft pick...

Frankie · 01-11-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Don't think Pioli would fall in love with Tannehill. He'd probably just take a guy later and develop him along with Stanzi. Tannehill offers nothing more than Stanzi.

Actually with Tannehill's foot injury his stock might drop. Who knows maybe it's bad enough that he'd be eligible for the traditional Pioli late QB pick.

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Originally Posted by Rausch

He doesn't have to.

We need to resign McClain, Dump 2Yrd Thomas, keep Battle, and draft another "banger" in the later (4-7) rounds.

That will give us our 5-7 touches a game to McCluster, 12-15 to Charles, and short yardage/4th quarter stuff to Battle and the draft pick...

Something like this is what I meant.

no love · 01-11-2012, 01:01 AM

whole thing is moot. Tyson Jackson as the #3 overall? He wouldn't "break draft value 2 out of 3 years." Well sir, I believe he already has.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

We need to trade UP and get the best QB prospect in the draft.

It's not going to ham-string our team long-term.

Grow a set of balls and quit justifying just going through the motions.

40 years of nothing-40 years of zero franchise QBs...this is a no-brainer, folks.

Trading up for a QB who subsequently busts will only set us back for the length of time he's here. Matt Cassel's CONTRACT didn't hurt us, his PLAY did. And once he's gone, there won't be any residual effect.

However, if we draft Trent Richardson, you can bet your ass it will set this franchise back. Visions of Okoye and Word, 3 yards and a cloud of dust - Clark would have us back to 1991 in about 2 minutes. And it would take 10 years to dig out of it.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

htidmaqe.....it seems like everyone else knows what they're talking about but you. You seem to like to argue and that's it. I think a power RB would do wonders for the Chiefs. Having a good running game can cover up a not so stellar OL when a PA pass only takes about 3 sec to pull off, they can at least hold that long. I like that idea a lot. The goal is to try and find depth so something like this year's injuries doesn't decimate the team as much.

I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Trent Richardson is a curtain - it all looks good up front but what's behind him still STINKS.

If you like going 10-6 and losing in the playoffs every year, by all means, draft him.

I'd prefer to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

htismaqe · 01-11-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I agree with what you are saying.

I think what H is after is the fact that he would be a band aid on a broken leg. Just a cover up to the real problem of a qb and not having one.

Cassel did not have to win games last year, and it would be very tempting to do the whole ground and pound approach with defense again.

It would win us quite a few games but we have all seen what happens against a real qb. We lose.

That is what he is worrying about more than the player I think.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

Setsuna · 01-11-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Trent Richardson is a curtain - it all looks good up front but what's behind him still STINKS.

If you like going 10-6 and losing in the playoffs every year, by all means, draft him.

I'd prefer to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

Ok man. Let's just say, Chiefs D is stout as hell. Receivers are leet. You have a sick 2 RB tandem and you have a serviceable QB that limits TO. How is that not a recipe for a Superbowl or a deep playoff team? Don't make me laugh.

And don't even think I'm calling Cassel serviceable.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-11-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Trading up for a QB who subsequently busts will only set us back for the length of time he's here. Matt Cassel's CONTRACT didn't hurt us, his PLAY did. And once he's gone, there won't be any residual effect.

However, if we draft Trent Richardson, you can bet your ass it will set this franchise back. Visions of Okoye and Word, 3 yards and a cloud of dust - Clark would have us back to 1991 in about 2 minutes. And it would take 10 years to dig out of it.

I agree with ya, except with Richardson and Charles it would be 5 yards and a cloud of dust

**the Talking Can** · 01-11-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

Ok man. Let's just say, Chiefs D is stout as hell. Receivers are leet. You have a sick 2 RB tandem and you have a serviceable QB that limits TO. How is that not a recipe for a Superbowl or a deep playoff team? Don't make me laugh.

And don't even think I'm calling Cassel serviceable.

because Superbowls are won by great QBs, not serviceable QBs....

I can't even believe I'm reading this from a Chiefs fan...is this Carl?

Setsuna · 01-11-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

because Superbowls are won by great QBs, not serviceable QBs....

I can't even believe I'm reading this from a Chiefs fan...is this Carl?

I think Chiefs have the swag necessary to win a SB without an elite QB. You need to recognize and not be reeruned.

ChiefsCountry · 01-11-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

I think Chiefs have the swag necessary to win a SB without an elite QB. You need to recognize and not be reeruned.

You are ****ing stupid, we have been down this road more times than you have been alive.

**the Talking Can** · 01-11-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

I think Chiefs have the swag necessary to win a SB without an elite QB. You need to recognize and not be reeruned.

jesus true fan christ....

hilarious....ly stupid shit

ChiefsCountry · 01-11-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

jesus true fan christ....

hilarious....ly stupid shit

He is a Jaguar and Tebow lover.

GordonGekko · 01-11-2012, 10:56 AM

I miss voyager and his entire draft of bigXII picks that he would have the Chiefs making.

**loochy** · 01-11-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

we have been down this road more times than you have been alive.

Well, unless he's Jesus and was resurrected from the dead, he's only been alive once. So you've been down this road at least once, which really isn't a whole lot of times.

01-10-2012, 12:00 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or... Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case. First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford QB Robert Griffin, Baylor WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State OT Matt Kalil, USC CB Morris Claiborne, LSU The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception. RB Trent Richardson, Alabama WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford OT Riley Reiff, Iowa OG David DeCastro, Stanford DT Devin Still, Penn State DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick. It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation. Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples). That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions. Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either. That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.
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01-11-2012, 01:01 AM	#108
no love indifference Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $9044900	whole thing is moot. Tyson Jackson as the #3 overall? He wouldn't "break draft value 2 out of 3 years." Well sir, I believe he already has.
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01-11-2012, 10:56 AM	#119
GordonGekko On the inside Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ft. Worth, TX Casino cash: $9458880	I miss voyager and his entire draft of bigXII picks that he would have the Chiefs making.
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