Hall of Fame show (Roaf in, Shields out)

[kcxiv]

Anyone watching it? Got some Chiefs in the finals.

[chagrin]

Just read the news this morning, Will Shields should have been a lock.

signed - Captain Obvious

[milkman]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Cris Carter had essentially 4-5 great seasons and the rest of his career he was either invisible in Philly or was a #2 WR to Randy Moss in Minnesota.

That isn't HOF caliber.

Your ignorance is unmatched, and nearly unfathomable.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Cris Carter had essentially 4-5 great seasons and the rest of his career he was either invisible in Philly or was a #2 WR to Randy Moss in Minnesota.

That isn't HOF caliber.

It's reassuring to know your stupidity encompasses all of football, and is not just limited to the CHiefs

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

do any teams have the whole roster filled?
betting NFC East, or at least east coast teams

The Bears have the most HoFers, though a lot of them are from the days of yore and played both ways, so it's hard to put them at a particular position. You could probably do stuff like move Red Grange to CB and get closer, but the bottom line is that they're short on WRs, safeties, and CBs. They also need an OLB, but there are probably 8 guys on the roster who could fill in there, most notably Bulldog Turner. And of course no punter, but I'll bet Luckman or Nagurski or someone also punted.

This is a good illustration of how badly defensive backs are discriminated against in the HoF.

RB - Red Grange, Bronko Nagurski, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, George McAfee
QB - Paddy Driscoll, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman
WR - Bill Hewitt
TE - Mike Ditka
T - Ed Healey, Link Lyman, Joe Stydahar
G - Dan Fortmann, Stan Jones, Walt Kiesling
C - Bulldog Turner, George Trafton
K - George Blanda (K & QB)
P - ?
S - ?
CB - ?
OLB - George Connor
MLB - Dick Butkus, Bill George, Mike Singletary
DE - Doug Atkins, Richard Dent
DT - Dan Hampton, George Musso, Alan Page

Owner - George Halas
GM - Jim Finks

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Bears have the most HoFers, though a lot of them are from the days of yore and played both ways, so it's hard to put them at a particular position. You could probably do stuff like move Red Grange to CB and get closer, but the bottom line is that they're short on WRs, safeties, and CBs. They also need an OLB, but there are probably 8 guys on the roster who could fill in there, most notably Bulldog Turner. And of course no punter, but I'll bet Luckman or Nagurski or someone also punted.

This is a good illustration of how badly defensive backs are discriminated against in the HoF.

RB - Red Grange, Bronko Nagurski, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, George McAfee
QB - Paddy Driscoll, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman
WR - Bill Hewitt
TE - Mike Ditka
T - Ed Healey, Link Lyman, Joe Stydahar
G - Dan Fortmann, Stan Jones, Walt Kiesling
C - Bulldog Turner, George Trafton
K - George Blanda (K & QB)
P - ?
S - ?
CB - ?
OLB - George Connor
MLB - Dick Butkus, Bill George, Mike Singletary
DE - Doug Atkins, Richard Dent
DT - Dan Hampton, George Musso, Alan Page

Owner - George Halas
GM - Jim Finks

You do know that Sammy Baugh was a punter as well as a QB, and I believe is still the recrod holder for longest punt in NFL history, right?

There's your punter.

EDIT:This fills your "All Teams" need, not Bears specific.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by milkman

You do know that Sammy Baugh was a punter as well as a QB, and I believe is still the recrod holder for longest punt in NFL history, right?

There's your punter.

EDIT:This fills your "All Teams" need, not Bears specific.

Yeah, he's definitely the punter on a general team, but even at age 95 I think he would beat the heck out of you for even thinking about putting him on a Bears team.

[milkman]

Just looked it up.

Baugh is no longer the record holder, but he did hold the record at one time.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, he's definitely the punter on a general team, but even at age 95 I think he would beat the heck out of you for even thinking about putting him on a Bears team.

He'd punt me to the curb?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by milkman

Just looked it up.

Baugh is no longer the record holder, but he did hold the record at one time.

Does he not have the season average record any more? He held it forever, but it seems like the last few years punters have suddenly added four or five yards to their averages.

[arrowheadnation]

If you played for more than one team during your career, do you still have to declare what team you're going into the hall with, or do they not do that anymore?

[Rain Man]

Some interesting HoF trivia.

Since the NFL draft began in 1936, only three draft years (through 1990) have NOT produced one or more Hall of Famers. Those three drafts are:

1943 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_NFL_Draft. Maybe it was a war thing and the talent pool was thin, but I've never heard of any of these guys, despite it being a 32-round draft. It's worth checking out the thread just to see the nicknames, though. They were really good at nicknames back then, and we've completely lost the art of nicknaming.

1958 - The draft class of 1957 produced 9 Hall of Famers, but 1958 got shut out, despite having 30 rounds. The most recognizable names are John David Crow (I actually thought he was a Hall of Famer, but no), Jerry Kramer, Alex Karras, Chuck Howley, Dan Currie, and Wayne Walker. Maybe Kramer will get in at some point.

1986 - Despite 12 rounds, no '86er has made it in yet. The best bets are probably Charles Haley, Pat Swilling, Leslie O'Neal, and John L. Williams.

1991 has not yet seen a HoFer, but still has time since some of those guys are just coming eligible or are not eligible. Brett Favre and Aeneas Williams are the only two serious candidates, but I suspect at least one of them will get in. After 1990, we still have lots of unfilled classes due to timing.

The draft year with the most HoFers is 1964, with 10 (and I had no idea that we drafted Roger Staubach):

1964

Bob Brown, T, Nebraska – 1st Round (2nd overall) by Philadelphia Eagles (Also drafted in 1st round – 1st overall – of the 1964 AFL Draft by Denver Broncos)

Carl Eller, DE, Minnesota – 1st Round (6th overall) by Minnesota Vikings (Also drafted in 1st round – 5th overall – of the 1964 AFL Draft by Buffalo Bills)

Charley Taylor, HB/SE, Arizona State - 1st Round (3rd overall) by Washington Redskins (Also drafted in 2nd round - 9th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Houston Oilers.)

Paul Warfield, WR, Ohio State - 1st Round (11th overall) by Cleveland Browns (Also drafted in 4th round - 28th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills.)

Mel Renfro, DB, Oregon - 2nd Round (17th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Also drafted in 10th round - 79th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders.)

Paul Krause, S, Iowa - 2nd Round (18th overall) by Washington Redskins (Also drafted in 12th round - 89th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Denver Broncos.)

Dave Wilcox, LB, Boise Junior College, Oregon - 3rd Round (29th overall) by San Francisco 49ers (Also drafted in 6th round - 46th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by Houston Oilers.)

Bob Hayes, WR, Florida A&M - 7th Round (88th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Drafted as a future selection. Also drafted as a future selection in 14th round - 105th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Denver Broncos.)

Leroy Kelly, RB, Morgan State - 8th Round (110th overall) by Cleveland Browns

Roger Staubach, QB, New Mexico Military, Navy - 10th Round (129th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Drafted as a future selection. Also drafted as a future selection in 16th round - 122nd overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Kansas City Chiefs.)

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

If you played for more than one team during your career, do you still have to declare what team you're going into the hall with, or do they not do that anymore?

They've never done that. I think the myth got started because most players only played for one team for the first 60 years of the league.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Some interesting HoF trivia.

Since the NFL draft began in 1936, only three draft years (through 1990) have NOT produced one or more Hall of Famers. Those three drafts are:

1943 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_NFL_Draft. Maybe it was a war thing and the talent pool was thin, but I've never heard of any of these guys, despite it being a 32-round draft. It's worth checking out the thread just to see the nicknames, though. They were really good at nicknames back then, and we've completely lost the art of nicknaming.

1958 - The draft class of 1957 produced 9 Hall of Famers, but 1958 got shut out, despite having 30 rounds. The most recognizable names are John David Crow (I actually thought he was a Hall of Famer, but no), Jerry Kramer, Alex Karras, Chuck Howley, Dan Currie, and Wayne Walker. Maybe Kramer will get in at some point.

1986 - Despite 12 rounds, no '86er has made it in yet. The best bets are probably Charles Haley, Pat Swilling, Leslie O'Neal, and John L. Williams.

1991 has not yet seen a HoFer, but still has time since some of those guys are just coming eligible or are not eligible. Brett Favre and Aeneas Williams are the only two serious candidates, but I suspect at least one of them will get in. After 1990, we still have lots of unfilled classes due to timing.

The draft year with the most HoFers is 1964, with 10 (and I had no idea that we drafted Roger Staubach):

1964

Bob Brown, T, Nebraska – 1st Round (2nd overall) by Philadelphia Eagles (Also drafted in 1st round – 1st overall – of the 1964 AFL Draft by Denver Broncos)

Carl Eller, DE, Minnesota – 1st Round (6th overall) by Minnesota Vikings (Also drafted in 1st round – 5th overall – of the 1964 AFL Draft by Buffalo Bills)

Charley Taylor, HB/SE, Arizona State - 1st Round (3rd overall) by Washington Redskins (Also drafted in 2nd round - 9th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Houston Oilers.)

Paul Warfield, WR, Ohio State - 1st Round (11th overall) by Cleveland Browns (Also drafted in 4th round - 28th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills.)

Mel Renfro, DB, Oregon - 2nd Round (17th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Also drafted in 10th round - 79th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders.)

Paul Krause, S, Iowa - 2nd Round (18th overall) by Washington Redskins (Also drafted in 12th round - 89th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Denver Broncos.)

Dave Wilcox, LB, Boise Junior College, Oregon - 3rd Round (29th overall) by San Francisco 49ers (Also drafted in 6th round - 46th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by Houston Oilers.)

Bob Hayes, WR, Florida A&M - 7th Round (88th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Drafted as a future selection. Also drafted as a future selection in 14th round - 105th overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Denver Broncos.)

Leroy Kelly, RB, Morgan State - 8th Round (110th overall) by Cleveland Browns

Roger Staubach, QB, New Mexico Military, Navy - 10th Round (129th overall) by Dallas Cowboys (Drafted as a future selection. Also drafted as a future selection in 16th round - 122nd overall - of 1964 AFL Draft by the Kansas City Chiefs.)

Favre will get in, and Williams deserves it as well.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

If you played for more than one team during your career, do you still have to declare what team you're going into the hall with, or do they not do that anymore?

[the Talking Can]

Roaf is the best OL i've seen play, and no one comes close...he was basically flawless...

i still remember a play against denver in arrowhead, about 30 yards out from the endzone...Roaf has his man handled, Green is set up in a deep pocket waiting on a route in the endzone, and Denver's MLB (i forget..mobley?) comes hauling ass up the middle with Green dead to rights...

Roaf, post-knee surgery, disengages from his man and somehow slides over about 3-4 yards to put a shoulder on the MLB, redirecting him so that he misses Green by a hair...Green throws a TD pass to Kennison (i think)...that Roaf even saw him, much less blocked him is amazing

and in the playoff game against the Colts, Roaf simply humiliated Dwight Freeney (a possible hall of famer)...Roaf kicked his ass on every single ****ing snap and made it look easy, like when you put your hand on a child's head as he is swinging wildly at air to 'fight' you...