Chiefs Hall of Fame show (Roaf in, Shields out) - Page 4

kcxiv · 02-04-2012, 04:44 PM

Anyone watching it? Got some Chiefs in the finals.

milkman · 02-04-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

From scrimmage not just rushing.

One way or the other Phil's wrong.

Marshall Faulk averaged 108 yards a game from scrimmage for his career.

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2012, 08:38 PM

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

kcxiv · 02-04-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Curtis Martin's induction is a tribute to his logevity and durability, and the direct result of the fact that he played a skill position.

There's no way in hell he was better at his job than Will Shields was at his.

And the fact is, Chris Carter is far more deserving than Martin.

But then, the HoF voting process has always been a joke.

Hell, Tim Brown is more Deservering. Dude was good even though he was a raider, he played A LONG time at a very high level.

Curtis getting in over some of these guys on the list is a ****ing shame.

**ShortRoundChief** · 02-04-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I think it's just that creepy eyebrow. It's frightening.

Agreed. In some circles it is known as "The Burt Complex"

milkman · 02-04-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

WR should have been filled 30 years ago.

And yes, Johnny Robinson and DeRon Cherry belong, absolutely.

tredadda · 02-04-2012, 08:50 PM

I am still stunned at the fact Chris Carter can't get in. He must have pissed some people off as he is arguably the best player who keeps getting snubbed.

milkman · 02-04-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Hell, Tim Brown is more Deservering. Dude was good even though he was a raider, he played A LONG time at a very high level.

Curtis getting in over some of these guys on the list is a ****ing shame.

I agree.

But the most deserving that missed are Carter and Shields, which is where I was going with my post.

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2012, 08:51 PM

The AFC West Hall of Fame roster would look like this, including only the current teams and not the Seahawks/Buccaneers. (I'm weighting players based on their contributions to the AFC West, not the NFL. So for example, Jerry Rice isn't a big contributor to our division so he's ranked lower.)

We need a punter and a defensive tackle to fill out a starting lineup, assuming that Marcus Allen can fill a fullback role. It'd be nice to have a longer-term guard than Larry Little (paging Will Shields...)

It's interesting that we've never had a home-grown safety in our division, too.

QB - Len Dawson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Johnny Unitas, John Elway
RB - Marcus Allen, Floyd Little, Tony Dorsett, Eric Dickerson
WR - Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff, Charlie Joiner, James Lofton, Jerry Rice
TE - Kellen Winslow, Shannon Sharpe, Dave Casper, John Mackey
T - Art Shell, Ron Mix, Willie Roaf, Gary Zimmerman, Bob Brown
G - Gene Upshaw, Larry Little
C - Jim Otto, Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud, George Blanda
P - ?
S - Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson
CB - Willie Brown, Emmitt Thomas, Mike Haynes
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas, Ted Hendricks
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - Howie Long, Fred Dean, Deacon Jones
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Sid Gillman, John Madden, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt, Al Davis

**Rain Man** · 02-04-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

WR should have been filled 30 years ago.

And yes, Johnny Robinson and DeRon Cherry belong, absolutely.

Given that it's a skill position and thus overrepresented in the HoF, it's pretty telling that we don't have anyone at that position. It's been a weakness for the entire history of the franchise.

As much as I love Otis, and he was my favorite player as a child, I think the odds of him getting in are almost nil. With the inflation of receiving stats over the past 20 years, I think future voters will underestimate his contributions.

Chiefnj2 · 02-04-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

As good as he was, Charles Haley should be in there over him. Sometimes i wonder what the **** the Voters are thinking

Haley and Kevin Greene should be in before him.

milkman · 02-04-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Probably the best O-Lineman ever to play the game with Shields coming in at top 5. Definitely part of the best O-line ever to take the field, IMO.
Can you all imagine what a true HOF running back like Sanders, Emmitt Smith, L.T. or even Marcus Allen could have done behind them? 2300 yards and 30+ TD's is not unthinkable. Preist was a good running back in his own right, just not like the others mentioned.

I copied and pasted this from he locked thread, because it needs to be discussed, IMO.

I disagree with your opinion here.

Priest Holmes had incredible patience and vision, so I don't think that the guys you mentioned would have been much better, if at all.

In fact, I would contend that Emmit Smith was a product of a line that was arguably as good or better than that Chiefs line, and the fact that Barry Sanders was, for all his ability, far from patient, so would argue that they would not have bennefitted from the line play.

The only one that I might concede, and only might concede is Marcus Allen.

He had that same vision and patience.

02-04-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

One way or the other Phil's wrong.

Marshall Faulk averaged 108 yards a game from scrimmage for his career.

You're right. I slid a row too far and wasn't adding the right receiving YPG number.

That makes 4 backs averaging 100 YPG from scrimmage and Brown did it without the help of receptions. Smith, Martin, Brown, and Faulk.

FloridaMan88 · 02-04-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I am still stunned at the fact Chris Carter can't get in. He must have pissed some people off as he is arguably the best player who keeps getting snubbed.

Cris Carter had essentially 4-5 great seasons and the rest of his career he was either invisible in Philly or was a #2 WR to Randy Moss in Minnesota.

That isn't HOF caliber.

02-04-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan50/50

Cris Carter had essentially 4-5 great seasons and the rest of his career he was either invisible in Philly or was a #2 WR to Randy Moss in Minnesota.

That isn't HOF caliber.

You don't even have a clue. Zero.

Psyko Tek · 02-04-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

The Chiefs continue filling out their Hall of Fame starting lineup.

QB - Len Dawson, Joe Montana, Warren Moon
HB - Marcus Allen
FB - ?
WR - ?
TE - ? (Paging Tony Gonzalez...)
T - Willie Roaf
G - ? (Paging Will Shields and maybe old-timer Ed Budde)
C - Mike Webster
K - Jan Stenerud
P - ?
S - ? (Paging Johnny Robinson and Deron Cherry)
CB - Emmitt Thomas
OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas
MLB - Willie Lanier
DE - ?
DT - Buck Buchanan

Coach - Hank Stram, Marv Levy
Owner - Lamar Hunt

do any teams have the whole roster filled?
betting NFC East, or at least east coast teams

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02-04-2012, 08:51 PM	#53
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-452449 VARSITY	The AFC West Hall of Fame roster would look like this, including only the current teams and not the Seahawks/Buccaneers. (I'm weighting players based on their contributions to the AFC West, not the NFL. So for example, Jerry Rice isn't a big contributor to our division so he's ranked lower.) We need a punter and a defensive tackle to fill out a starting lineup, assuming that Marcus Allen can fill a fullback role. It'd be nice to have a longer-term guard than Larry Little (paging Will Shields...) It's interesting that we've never had a home-grown safety in our division, too. QB - Len Dawson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Johnny Unitas, John Elway RB - Marcus Allen, Floyd Little, Tony Dorsett, Eric Dickerson WR - Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff, Charlie Joiner, James Lofton, Jerry Rice TE - Kellen Winslow, Shannon Sharpe, Dave Casper, John Mackey T - Art Shell, Ron Mix, Willie Roaf, Gary Zimmerman, Bob Brown G - Gene Upshaw, Larry Little C - Jim Otto, Mike Webster K - Jan Stenerud, George Blanda P - ? S - Ronnie Lott, Rod Woodson CB - Willie Brown, Emmitt Thomas, Mike Haynes OLB - Bobby Bell, Derrick Thomas, Ted Hendricks MLB - Willie Lanier DE - Howie Long, Fred Dean, Deacon Jones DT - Buck Buchanan Coach - Hank Stram, Sid Gillman, John Madden, Marv Levy Owner - Lamar Hunt, Al Davis __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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