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Old 07-15-2012, 12:44 PM  
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Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?
This isn't a thread bashing Pioli it's simply to encourage discussion.

The Facts:

The Chiefs have finished in last place 2 out of the 3 seasons since Pioli took over.

The Chiefs have averaged 7 wins under the Pioli regime.

The 2009 draft= Fail

The Trade for Matt Cassel turns out it wasn't good.

Already fired one coach missing the playoffs this year with this squad would mean Crennel isn't that good of a coach.

So does anything less than a playoff appearance= failure? If so that would be 3 out of 4 years Pioli has failed. That gets you walking papers with most franchises.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:00 PM   #61
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IIRC, Milkman wanted DeCosta back in 2009.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:02 PM   #62
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IIRC, Milkman wanted DeCosta back in 2009.
Great memory. He posted that 14 minutes ago.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:04 PM   #63
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:20 PM   #64
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:22 PM   #65
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I hadn't really considered the possibility of this being Pioli's last season, but the more I think about it its harder for me to justify keeping him around if Crennel and the team fail this year.

Its like Groundhogs Day where Pioli continues to repeat his biggest mistake year after year, trotting out Matt Cassel and hoping this season will be different. Its maddening.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:23 PM   #66
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My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:27 PM   #67
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:31 PM   #68
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My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.
the only things i dont like about the job Pioli's done in KC so far was trading for Cassel, Hiring Haley and bustin Bowes Balls.

if he gets rid of Cassel, i'll forgive him.
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My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.
It would eliminate my biggest complaint about Pioli's tenure, but I'd continue to wonder why it took him three years to figure out something that the rest of us knew in the beginning, in regards to Cassel's (in)ability at quarterback.
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My first choice today, as it was when Carl was fired, would be to lure Eric DeCosta to KC.
I wonder how different our roster would be today with DeCosta and Rex Ryan running the show. Or DeCosta and Jim Schwartz.
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Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?

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I wonder how different our roster would be today with DeCosta and Rex Ryan running the show. Or DeCosta and Jim Schwartz.
Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.
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Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.
I remember when I said this back in 2010, and was laughed at.
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Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.
I'm not saying One GM is better then the other but draft position is king when it comes to a rebuild like the Chiefs and Lions(They've been rebuilding forever.) have been going through. One or two spots toward the top of the draft can make a huge difference. We had no chance at Stafford or any other legit QB prospect where we've picked at the top of the draft.
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