Chiefs Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start - Page 18

ShowtimeSBMVP · 09-18-2012, 11:31 AM

Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start.

But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season.

“If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that.

“(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.”

The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee.

As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.”

Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season.

“We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing.

Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround.

Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league.

Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-20-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Eachus should be bagging groceries.

Very true... I don't think many people expected an epic failure like this one.

Very good, padawan.

KCUnited · 09-20-2012, 11:21 AM

And now they've hired Adam Teicher to craft their slogans.

Eliminate Bad Football

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9...e-bad-football

**Dave Lane** · 09-20-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

No you don't.

Isn't that what he said about Haley 2 weeks before he fired him?

**Dave Lane** · 09-20-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

And now they've hired Adam Teicher to craft their slogans.

Eliminate Bad Football

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9...e-bad-football

Great moogly googly

Black Bob · 09-20-2012, 11:25 AM

Why do the slogans always have to beat around the bush so much? Why do they have to be smart? If I were making a slogan it would be...

****ing hit somebody or maybe Argh, ****, Kill

What would yours be?

Black Bob · 09-20-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tendered? Wha?

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Carr was tendered for a first round pick just before training camp last season. When Pioli did this, negociations were off until after the season. A team could have traded for Carr but would have had to give a first round pick. He never should have been tendered. He should have gotten a contract.

Right now Belcher has a 2nd round tender . He will probably walk too.

A tender is sort of like a mini tag....

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

And it's spelled negotiations. This is second time I've seen you misspell the word.

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

The reason he was tendered was so that he wouldn't go anywhere and the Chiefs could continue to negotiate. He was absolutely right to give him the First Round Tender, otherwise, he could have walked without ANY compensation.

JFC.

Good. He ****ing sucks ass. It's awesome that the Chiefs continue to pass on ILBer's. Daryl Washington, anyone?

No, it's not.

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

It looks to me like you just researched some of this which is a good thing. There is no reason to be rude man. I treated you with respect in my reply. However, I didn't explain the tender process in detail.

Maybe the most important thing that is being left out is that after he was tendered, we could only offer him up to 120% of his tender salary the following year (2012). This is the only offer we could make before free agency began and he wasn't going to take that. The new cba is designed to set players free.

Pioli blew it when we tendered him.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/15...ive-bargaining

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're an idiot.

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

.

Here it is in a nutshell... This is another angle with an explanation that is even easier to understand. There were several rules with Carr's tag.

Dwayne Bowe could not be franchised unless we allowed Carr to hit the open market. Period. There's a rule in the NFL that requires a player hit UFA status if he is given a raise in base salary of more than 30% from one season to the next. When the Chiefs gave him the one-year restricted tender (increasing his base salary from around 400K to 2.6mil), Carr was instantly guaranteed to hit the open market unless franchised.

The only course of action Pioli could take to retain both players was to re-sign Bowe and franchise Carr...

here's the official link... http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

Is that a better explanation?

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

With all due respect, Dane is incorrect and I think you know it. Here's an old thread from this website of the same thing I was talking about.

You are posting in the thread Boss. We couldn't prevent Carr from becoming a UFA without tagging him.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...253308&page=15

Edit:

Also, the answer is yes to your next question. The 30% rule from the old CBA applied last August. With the new CBA you can't go over 30% in the first place...

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How about a big healthy dose of shut the **** up?

Hey Dane,

**** YOU! YOU ARE A GOD DAMN LIAR.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-20-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Hey Dane,

**** YOU! YOU ARE A GOD DAMN LIAR.

I have to say, in my 12+ years as a member of Chiefsplanet, I've never come across someone as asinine and delusional as yourself.

What planet are you from?

Oh, and yes, as everyone else pointed out, YOU ARE ****ING WRONG!

**New World Order** · 09-20-2012, 10:57 PM

When Bob Black gives up hope, you know things are in the shitter

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-20-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Hey Dane,

**** YOU! YOU ARE A GOD DAMN LIAR.

Listen, you illiterate goat ****er, you don't have a goddamned clue.

First off, as I stated earlier, you ****scycle, Carr had to be tendered because if not, had he signed with another team, the Chiefs would have only received a 5th round pick, which is where he was drafted.

If they hadn't tendered Belcher (who ****ing sucks) with a second rounder and he had signed with another team, the Chiefs would have received nothing in return because he was an undrafted free agent.

I don't know where your stupidass got the idea that you could post on Chiefsplanet without getting called out for your continued dumbassery but your "Grace Period" is over, Mother****er.

Now, hit the sack. Mommy's got a new dildo and needs help. Chop-Chop!

Black Bob · 09-20-2012, 11:14 PM

**** you LIAR. It's about Carr and 30% rule ****er

Hammock Parties · 09-20-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Listen, you illiterate goat ****er, you don't have a goddamned clue.

DANE IS ****ING BACK.

**notorious** · 09-20-2012, 11:21 PM

chiefs1111 · 09-20-2012, 11:37 PM

Screw you Fat Scott. Take your penis out of Cassels mouth and both get the **** out.

**007** · 09-21-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief

http://www.sportsnola.com/sports/spo...or-week-3.html

KANSAS CITY AT NEW ORLEANS (-9.5)- It's the last chance for this Saints team. Because as bad as they've looked, perhaps nobody has been worse than the Chiefs thus far. They can't stop a parked car let alone an opposing NFL offense. Still, could you really trust New Orleans' defense to hold down Kansas City enough to win by double figures? Their defense has struggled in many aspects, and although offensively they committed a bit more to the running game, it still wasn't enough. This is the last chance I'm giving the Saints and if they don't pull it off, you might as well put them at 0-5 heading to their bye week.

NEW ORLEANS-35 KANSAS CITY-23

and they couldn't stop a Carr from leaving either.

NJChiefsFan · 09-21-2012, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Listen, you illiterate goat ****er, you don't have a goddamned clue.

First off, as I stated earlier, you ****scycle, Carr had to be tendered because if not, had he signed with another team, the Chiefs would have only received a 5th round pick, which is where he was drafted.

If they hadn't tendered Belcher (who ****ing sucks) with a second rounder and he had signed with another team, the Chiefs would have received nothing in return because he was an undrafted free agent.

I don't know where your stupidass got the idea that you could post on Chiefsplanet without getting called out for your continued dumbassery but your "Grace Period" is over, Mother****er.

Now, hit the sack. Mommy's got a new dildo and needs help. Chop-Chop!

09-18-2012, 11:31 AM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1306009	Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start. But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season. “If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that. “(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.” The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee. As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.” Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster. “I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap. “It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.” Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season. “We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround. Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league. Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy
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