Life Sperm donor needs to pay child support? - Page 2

Msmith · 01-03-2013, 11:16 AM

I really scratch my head on this one:

TOPEKA, Kan. -- The state of Kansas is trying to force a man who donated sperm to a lesbian couple to pay child support, arguing that the agreement he and the women signed releasing him from all parental duties was invalid because they didn't go through a doctor...

The link: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/02...erm-donor.html

Jenson71 · 01-03-2013, 11:28 AM

Makes sense from a prescriptive view. People now get the point that you don't do sperm donations through a newspaper/craiglist ad. You go through a doctor.

Jenson71 · 01-03-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Nuttin' surprises me anymore.

The donor was reportedly very testy after hearing the verdict.

**luv** · 01-03-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Do you really think Kansas is going to recognize a lesbian couple as legitimate parents?

Nope. Just putting it into general terms in order for it to sound ludicrous.

**ShortRoundChief** · 01-03-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Family law has one single, immutable precedent:

Whatever happens - **** over every single male involved.

It's really absurd at this point. The entire field of family law has had so much precedent that has chipped away at the rights of men over the last 25 years that most courts essentially get the result they want (**** over the 'father') and work backwards to create a rationale for it.

For awhile I was looking at going into family law and I ended up absolutely disgusted by where the field has gone. There's really no justice in family court for men.

**alnorth** · 01-03-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ndws

I saw that on the news. Had he used a real doctor apparently, the courts would have viewed it differently.

So, I have to ask. How did he impregnate the lesbo without a dr? Old fashioned? Turkey baister? fling it like a monkey with poop?

Thats the way it always has been, in nearly every state.

If you want to be a sperm donor, you MUST do it through a doctor or through a clinic. You CAN NOT do it on your own.

If you try to donate sperm on your own without involving a doctior or a clinic, all the legal papers in the world don't matter. You are not a sperm donor, you are dad.

This man is a friggin' moron. He could have easily found this out by looking it up, and for something this important (not wanting to be financially responsible) he should have. Too bad for him now, he's screwed.

**alnorth** · 01-03-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Family law has one single, immutable precedent:

Whatever happens - **** over every single male involved.

It's really absurd at this point. The entire field of family law has had so much precedent that has chipped away at the rights of men over the last 25 years that most courts essentially get the result they want (**** over the 'father') and work backwards to create a rationale for it.

For awhile I was looking at going into family law and I ended up absolutely disgusted by where the field has gone. There's really no justice in family court for men.

This is nothing new, at all.

Many, many, many idiots all over the country, for years, have learned that they are not a sperm donor because they didn't do it right.

I have no clue why this particular story made the news. Someone somewhere apparently thought this was a real story.

**ShortRoundChief** · 01-03-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

He should have pulled out.

Slipped her the morning after pill as he was leaving.

ndws · 01-03-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Thats the way it always has been, in nearly every state.

If you want to be a sperm donor, you MUST do it through a doctor or through a clinic. You CAN NOT do it on your own.

If you try to donate sperm on your own without involving a doctior or a clinic, all the legal papers in the world don't matter. You are not a sperm donor, you are dad.

This man is a friggin' moron. He could have easily found this out by looking it up, and for something this important (not wanting to be financially responsible) he should have. Too bad for him now, he's screwed.

Yep, you are correct. But I still want to know the process, because I'm twisted like that. They are lesbians, they apparently hate the weiner. He's not using a medical 3rd party for insemination. What happened, how did it go down??? lol

Fish · 01-03-2013, 11:39 AM

At least he got to bang a lesbian.....

ndws · 01-03-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

This is nothing new, at all.

Many, many, many idiots all over the country, for years, have learned that they are not a sperm donor because they didn't do it right.

I have no clue why this particular story made the news. Someone somewhere apparently thought this was a real story.

It was on local news last night. I think the guy was reaching out to media outlets, hoping for a spotlight to help fix his jam. He's screwed.

Lesson to learn? Don't backalley inseminate lesbians on Craigslist. It won't work out for you.

Oh Snap · 01-03-2013, 11:43 AM

Artificial insemination can cost upwards of $30,000. That is a lot of money. That is probably why they went through alternative means to get pregnant. Now did he actually have sex with one of the lesbos? I still fail to see how he is liable, especially considering a written agreement of which they acknowledge? Can't they just be grateful that they didn't have to shell out an extra $30k for a child that they apparently wanted?

**alnorth** · 01-03-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

Artificial insemination can cost upwards of $30,000. That is a lot of money. That is probably why they went through alternative means to get pregnant. Now did he actually have sex with one of the lesbos? I still fail to see how he is liable, especially considering a written agreement of which they acknowledge? Can't they just be grateful that they didn't have to shell out an extra $30k for a child that they apparently wanted?

Good for the lesbians, they saved 30k, and they get to keep the kid.

Bad for the idiot man. You can't let them "save money" if you are the sperm donor, if its your ass thats going to be on the line if the state decides to pursue you later for child support. Its the law in nearly every state.

edit: regarding the documents, if you are legally recognized to be the father (which he is, he was not a sperm donor), then you are not permitted to sign away your financial responsibility, even if you agree to waive all custody and parental rights.

Oh Snap · 01-03-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Good for the lesbians, they saved 30k, and they get to keep the kid.

Bad for the idiot man. You can't let them "save money" if you are the sperm donor, if its your ass thats going to be on the line if the state decides to pursue you later for child support. Its the law in nearly every state.

Sounds like the man was set up. Then again, as you said, no one forced him to be the donor.

Jenson71 · 01-03-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

Artificial insemination can cost upwards of $30,000. That is a lot of money. That is probably why they went through alternative means to get pregnant. Now did he actually have sex with one of the lesbos? I still fail to see how he is liable, especially considering a written agreement of which they acknowledge? Can't they just be grateful that they didn't have to shell out an extra $30k for a child that they apparently wanted?

I don't think written agreements (particularly by unsophisticated parties) go too far in family law issues. Your private promises don't really trump "public policy."

**alnorth** · 01-03-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

Sounds like the man was set up. Then again, as you said, no one forced him to be the donor.

he probably wasn't set up, the stupid lesbians probably thought he'd be in the clear too. They didn't go after him, the state did.

01-03-2013, 11:16 AM
Msmith Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Casino cash: $8238035	Sperm donor needs to pay child support? I really scratch my head on this one: TOPEKA, Kan. -- The state of Kansas is trying to force a man who donated sperm to a lesbian couple to pay child support, arguing that the agreement he and the women signed releasing him from all parental duties was invalid because they didn't go through a doctor... The link: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/02...erm-donor.html
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Jenson71 fides quaerens intellectum Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Casino cash: $8330900	Makes sense from a prescriptive view. People now get the point that you don't do sperm donations through a newspaper/craiglist ad. You go through a doctor.
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Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	Artificial insemination can cost upwards of $30,000. That is a lot of money. That is probably why they went through alternative means to get pregnant. Now did he actually have sex with one of the lesbos? I still fail to see how he is liable, especially considering a written agreement of which they acknowledge? Can't they just be grateful that they didn't have to shell out an extra $30k for a child that they apparently wanted?
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