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Houston 74 54.01%
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:13 AM  
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NFL's Best OLB: Houston vs. Miller
Got into a debate with a Donkey fan regarding this topic earlier this week, but I love it. I think it's one that can be argued both ways, but personally I take a healthy Houston every day over a healthy Miller. Place your vote and make your own case below.

Things to keep in mind:

Justin Houston career numbers:
- 64 starts
-56 sacks (2011: 5.5 in 10 starts, 2012: 10.0 in 16 starts, 2013: 11.0 in 11 starts, 2014: 22.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 7.5 in 10 games)
- 3 interceptions
- 25 passes defensed
- 8 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries
- 1 touchdown (INT), 1 safety
- Hasn't been flagged for anything since the 2013 season


Von Miller career numbers:
- 72 starts
- 60 sacks (2011: 11.5 in 15 starts, 2012: 18.5 in 16 starts, 2013: 5.0 in 9 starts, 2014: 14.0 in 16 starts, 2015: 11.0 in 16 starts)
- 1 interception
- 10 passes defensed
- 17 forced fumbles/ 5 recoveries
- 1 touchdown (INT), 1 touchdown (fumble recovery), 0 safeties
- Consistently penalized, often for personal fouls

For me, considering the numbers..... I still take Houston. Statistically, I can argue he's been better in every phase of the game except for forcing fumbles. Miller does have the playoff success to attribute in his argument, but Houston of course didn't hardly play in this year's playoffs. Regardless, this a fun topic no matter the time of year. So, who do you take?
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:11 PM   #211
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Injuries happen. I don't like using it as an excuse.

I would have liked to have seen the chiefs and broncos in the afc championship game though. Would have been a cool matchup.
I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. I hate the whole "macho" thing about making excuses. We're not on the team, so we can look at it objectively and see that it's hard to go into NE and win without a few of your best players.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:18 PM   #212
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I bet you Mack wishes he could go against Michael Schofield every week, 1/3 of his sacks this season came against him. Schofield is a terrible player.
Mack hit both sides of the line that day, he also had ten other sacks which is one less than Miller's season total. Mack also played the first half of the season with a bad groin.

Mack is a better all around player than Miller for sure. I think he's better than Houston as well.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:23 PM   #213
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I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. I hate the whole "macho" thing about making excuses. We're not on the team, so we can look at it objectively and see that it's hard to go into NE and win without a few of your best players.
Every team has injuries.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:27 PM   #214
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Mack hit both sides of the line that day, he also had ten other sacks which is one less than Miller's season total. Mack also played the first half of the season with a bad groin.

Mack is a better all around player than Miller for sure. I think he's better than Houston as well.


Can someone get a gif of the play where Mack got faked out completely by Alex on that 4th and 1?

Or how about a play from the same game where Maclin ran the jet sweep and was by Mack before he even knew what happened?

Seriously dude, cmon. Mack hasn't done anything yet to suggest he's better than Miller or Houston. Not saying he can't get there, but he's not there yet.
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Every team has injuries.
Name one other NFL team that lost their two best players on both sides of the ball this year . I'll wait....

It's ignorant to pretend that didn't make a difference in how our season ended.
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Old 02-16-2016, 01:43 PM   #216
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Name one other NFL team that lost their two best players on both sides of the ball this year . I'll wait....

It's ignorant to pretend that didn't make a difference in how our season ended.
Injuries are a convenient excuse.

The Chiefs won 11 straight without their best offensive player and what, like 5 straight without their best defensive player.

The broncos had injuries, the pats had injuries, every team has injuries.

It aucks, but it's why you build depth
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Injuries are a convenient excuse.

The Chiefs won 11 straight without their best offensive player and what, like 5 straight without their best defensive player.

The broncos had injuries, the pats had injuries, every team has injuries.

It aucks, but it's why you build depth
You're right. To say Houston, Charles, Maclin, Ware, Gaines, Morse and LDT would've made a 7 point difference is bullshit.
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You're right. To say Houston, Charles, Maclin, Ware, Gaines, Morse and LDT would've made a 7 point difference is bullshit.
Did the Patriots have any injuries?

Would the game have likely gone different? Sure.

Would the chiefs have won? Dunno.
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Did the Patriots have any injuries?
Are you really that ****ing dumb to try to make every injury equal?
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Losing our key guys killed us that game but make no mistake about it, we beat ourselves.

I'm still pissed off at Dee Ford. He could have changed the game from the start.
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Are you really that ****ing dumb to try to make every injury equal?
They would have made a difference, for sure.

I just think it's not as easy as saying had they played we'd have won. It would have increased the likelihood for sure, but again, so would have brady being at 100 percent etc.
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They would have made a difference, for sure.

I just think it's not as easy as saying had they played we'd have won. It would have increased the likelihood for sure, but again, so would have brady being at 100 percent etc.
Just give us two out of Houston/Charles/Maclin/Ware and we win that game. No doubt in my mind.

As for Brady, I have my doubts about the "ankle sprain" and him and the rest of the team had a week off to heal up. They earned it though, so no complaints there.
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Dustin Colquitt is better than Britton.
not this year
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not this year
You should really think before you post sometimes. Please reference the 2016 punting statistics. Dustin was better in every single statistical category. Every single one. Higher Average. Higher Net. Higher Number of Punts Inside the 20. Higher Number of Fair Catches. Fewer Number of Returns. Fewer Number of Return Yards. Fewer Out of Bounds. The only thing Britton managed to do better was punt 9 more times.
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Just give us two out of Houston/Charles/Maclin/Ware and we win that game. No doubt in my mind.

As for Brady, I have my doubts about the "ankle sprain" and him and the rest of the team had a week off to heal up. They earned it though, so no complaints there.
While true, our players didn't show up. Dee Ford could have changed the game from the beginning but missed a simple sack.
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