Let's face it folks...this season is no longer about the defense...

htismaqe · 09-19-2004, 07:55 PM

Say what you want about the defense -- no amount of complaining is going change this fact:

We went into this season KNOWING that the defense was going to struggle, especially early. The offense was SUPPOSED to help offset this.

No, the defense wasn't stellar today. However, they played MUCH better than last week and even added a TD. The offense rewarded them by putting out the biggest pile of crap since the 2001 season.

I was at the game today and I really felt like the defense upheld their end of the bargain. They had some lapses, but the real problems (like the long run) didn't happen until after the offense completely let the air out of the sails.

1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions.

2) Drops -- I can't even say any more. It makes me want to puke. Unlike last week, they got open. And I mean WIDE OPEN. But they just can't hang onto the ball. I hope everybody that was calling for more Richard Smith now realize what that means.

3) Trent Green -- I don't know that I can criticize this guy. It's pretty obvious: zero WR's + zero protection = bad QB play.

4) The playcalling by Al Saunders STINKS -- I'm more convinced than ever that I don't want this guy touching our team in any way, shape, or form after Vermeil leaves. You have arguably the most potent weapon in the game and you give him the ball SIXTEEN times? There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for Priest Holmes EVER having less than 20 carries. None.

5) Tackling -- it was better today, but the long run was again the result of poor tackling. He should have been down after about 6 yards. McCleon avoided contact on a couple of plays, but also made a nice open-field tackle.

6) Pass coverage -- at first I thought it was Dexter McCleon just getting beat man-to-man. Then I realized that Gunther was trying to contain the outside run by running a flat zone again. The corners on the outside were releasing the WR's into zone coverage, and ONCE AGAIN, our safeties left guys WIDE OPEN. I've been saying it for two years -- Jerome Woods CANNOT cover a deep zone.

Those were the big things I saw about the game, as far as negatives. On the positive side, I saw Sims beat a couple of double-teams, and both Siavii and Dalton played well. Our defensive tackles are definitely better than last year. Of course, our defensive ends are just as bad as ever. And Warfield looked great.

Demonpenz · 09-19-2004, 07:56 PM

I think the smart people know it's not about the offense or defense, it's about the entire team

ChiefsCountry · 09-19-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions.

Thank you, I said this last week when everybody was dissing on Welbourn.

|Zach| · 09-19-2004, 07:58 PM

Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.

Deberg_1990 · 09-19-2004, 07:58 PM

I agree with you man..We should never have resigned Jerome Woods...he cant cover to save his life.

Deberg_1990 · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.

Agreed Zach....the D was bad..but the offense was worse today.

milkman · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today.

Everything else is dead on.

I've been asking why Gun was using the zones.
What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D?

Pants · 09-19-2004, 07:59 PM

Actually it makes perfect sense what htismaque said.

And Demon'sPenis, smart people know they have to support what they say with some actual proof, like htismaque did. What you said was pointless and should be disregarded by any "smart people".

stevieray · 09-19-2004, 08:00 PM

The offense is 7 of 25 on third downs.

Chiefnj · 09-19-2004, 08:07 PM

If anyone wants to know what happened to Gunthers aggressive man D, look at how McLeon couldn't keep up with a rookie. The Panthers should have had a 60+ yard bomb very early in the game that they luckily overthrew. Then Coulbert had his way with Dex several times in man coverage.

People can point their fingers at the offense all they want, sure they are disappointing this year, but the defensive players still suck. Rewind 48 hours ago - "Foster sucks as a starter..." Fast forward 48 hours and he has the longest run in Panther history. Not the longest run this season, but in franchise history! It's the same story every damn week for the past 2 years. It doesn't matter who lines up in the backfield, it's "career day."

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 08:09 PM

I agree with everything you said Htis. The main problem with the offense is the lack of receivers. If we just had 1 downfield threat then that would open up things for Gonzo and the rest of the offense.

ROYC75 · 09-19-2004, 08:09 PM

Without a doubt, the defense is actually doing better, not much, but signs of improvement is there. A little more game seasoning and they should jell OK to a middle of the road D.

Our offense is no way close to last years production.... I agree on Roaf, looks like he was going thru the motions today.... Rucker made him look slow and weak .... Play calling is a fluke right now, Al needs to get with it.

This D and last years offense, at worst we are 1-1 with more hope that what we have see so far .

whoman69 · 09-19-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by First Down Elvis

The offense is 7 of 25 on third downs.

Sounds about right. We can't go on like that. We need to rais that from 28 % to about 45 %.

**Skip Towne** · 09-19-2004, 08:10 PM

Disagree on the tackling. It was horrid. Midway throught the 4th quarter they threw up a graphic that said we had missed 28 tackles.

**dirk digler** · 09-19-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today.

Everything else is dead on.

I've been asking why Gun was using the zones.
What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D?

Besides Warfield I don't think they have anyone that can play man to man like Gun wants.

09-19-2004, 07:55 PM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10209900	Let's face it folks...this season is no longer about the defense... Say what you want about the defense -- no amount of complaining is going change this fact: We went into this season KNOWING that the defense was going to struggle, especially early. The offense was SUPPOSED to help offset this. No, the defense wasn't stellar today. However, they played MUCH better than last week and even added a TD. The offense rewarded them by putting out the biggest pile of crap since the 2001 season. I was at the game today and I really felt like the defense upheld their end of the bargain. They had some lapses, but the real problems (like the long run) didn't happen until after the offense completely let the air out of the sails. 1) The offensive line -- no I'm not talking about Welbourn. I'm talking about WILLIE ROAF. He really looks like he's lost a step, and he's relying more and more on holding. I know some people noticed it in the preseason, and he was really exposed by Peppers today on a couple of occasions. 2) Drops -- I can't even say any more. It makes me want to puke. Unlike last week, they got open. And I mean WIDE OPEN. But they just can't hang onto the ball. I hope everybody that was calling for more Richard Smith now realize what that means. 3) Trent Green -- I don't know that I can criticize this guy. It's pretty obvious: zero WR's + zero protection = bad QB play. 4) The playcalling by Al Saunders STINKS -- I'm more convinced than ever that I don't want this guy touching our team in any way, shape, or form after Vermeil leaves. You have arguably the most potent weapon in the game and you give him the ball SIXTEEN times? There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for Priest Holmes EVER having less than 20 carries. None. 5) Tackling -- it was better today, but the long run was again the result of poor tackling. He should have been down after about 6 yards. McCleon avoided contact on a couple of plays, but also made a nice open-field tackle. 6) Pass coverage -- at first I thought it was Dexter McCleon just getting beat man-to-man. Then I realized that Gunther was trying to contain the outside run by running a flat zone again. The corners on the outside were releasing the WR's into zone coverage, and ONCE AGAIN, our safeties left guys WIDE OPEN. I've been saying it for two years -- Jerome Woods CANNOT cover a deep zone. Those were the big things I saw about the game, as far as negatives. On the positive side, I saw Sims beat a couple of double-teams, and both Siavii and Dalton played well. Our defensive tackles are definitely better than last year. Of course, our defensive ends are just as bad as ever. And Warfield looked great.
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $4406768	Great Post HTIS. The offense hung out the defense to dry today.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	It was Rucker that exposed Roaf today. Everything else is dead on. I've been asking why Gun was using the zones. What happened to his legendary aggressive Man D? __________________
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09-19-2004, 08:07 PM	#10
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	If anyone wants to know what happened to Gunthers aggressive man D, look at how McLeon couldn't keep up with a rookie. The Panthers should have had a 60+ yard bomb very early in the game that they luckily overthrew. Then Coulbert had his way with Dex several times in man coverage. People can point their fingers at the offense all they want, sure they are disappointing this year, but the defensive players still suck. Rewind 48 hours ago - "Foster sucks as a starter..." Fast forward 48 hours and he has the longest run in Panther history. Not the longest run this season, but in franchise history! It's the same story every damn week for the past 2 years. It doesn't matter who lines up in the backfield, it's "career day." __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $2014644	I agree with everything you said Htis. The main problem with the offense is the lack of receivers. If we just had 1 downfield threat then that would open up things for Gonzo and the rest of the offense.
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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $4312400	Without a doubt, the defense is actually doing better, not much, but signs of improvement is there. A little more game seasoning and they should jell OK to a middle of the road D. Our offense is no way close to last years production.... I agree on Roaf, looks like he was going thru the motions today.... Rucker made him look slow and weak .... Play calling is a fluke right now, Al needs to get with it. This D and last years offense, at worst we are 1-1 with more hope that what we have see so far . __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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