If Keyshawn and Galloway were worth 2 1st's, why not JA?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

We don't have to replace Allen - we're starting over.

We're going to be horrible this year with or without Allen. It's not like we have to plug in a new DE to keep our SB hopes alive.

Exactly. We can grab a DE later in the draft or even next year. What we have to do this draft is just get the BPA at positions of need (which is everything). We're not drafting to replace any single player, we're drafting to build this team at every position.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Exactly. We can grab a DE later in the draft or even next year. What we have to do this draft is just get the BPA at positions of need (which is everything). We're not drafting to replace any single player, we're drafting to build this team at every position.

QFT

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

QFT

How many pro bowl defensive players have the Chiefs drafted in the last decade? Have the Chiefs replaced Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter? Were they able to replace Donnie Edwards? It's easy to replace great players - we'll just slide Welbourn over to guard. It's his natural position and Shields was declining anyway.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How many pro bowl defensive players have the Chiefs drafted in the last decade? Have the Chiefs replaced Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter? Were they able to replace Donnie Edwards? It's easy to replace great players - we'll just slide Welbourn over to guard. It's his natural position and Shields was declining anyway.

Did we ever receive compensation for any of those players? No.

Did we often try to replace those guys with veterans instead of draft picks? Yes.

Apples and oranges.

When we drafted DT, Neil Smith, Dale Carter we were building a core, much like we're doing now. When we lost those guys we were plugging holes trying to get to the next level. We've abandoned that garbage plan and seem to be returning to the strategy that brought those guys here.

[Mojo Rising]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Exactly. We can grab a DE later in the draft or even next year. What we have to do this draft is just get the BPA at positions of need (which is everything). We're not drafting to replace any single player, we're drafting to build this team at every position.

We have a player with a great motor, attitude, medical chart who just wants to be paid what he's worth. Just pay him and don't be cheap. Don't give me this BS that we're building for the future. Look at how our recent drafts have gone. They are a big gamble.

Allen will be great for at least 4 more years. This is not a decision for next year only. We need to continue to build and keep what little talent we have. If we trade for a 1st and 2nd, or 2 3rd's we are only netting a 2nd or 2 3rds. That doesn't help us that much considering at 19 if we draft D we will be downgrading our pass rush.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Mojo Rising

We have a player with a great motor, attitude, medical chart who just wants to be paid what he's worth. Just pay him and don't be cheap. Don't give me this BS that we're building for the future. Look at how our recent drafts have gone. They are a big gamble.

Allen will be great for at least 4 more years. This is not a decision for next year only. We need to continue to build and keep what little talent we have. If we trade for a 1st and 2nd, or 2 3rd's we are only netting a 2nd or 2 3rds. That doesn't help us that much considering at 19 if we draft D we will be downgrading our pass rush.

I'd rather keep Allen than trade him, but if the guy is disgruntled and does not want to be here then you have to move him and get something in return.

I absolutely disagree with the logic that we only net what picks are in addition to a 1st round pick. You don't have to use that 1st pick to replace JA.

[Mojo Rising]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'd rather keep Allen than trade him, but if the guy is disgruntled and does not want to be here then you have to move him and get something in return.

I absolutely disagree with the logic that we only net what picks are in addition to a 1st round pick. You don't have to use that 1st pick to replace JA.

If they pay him what he's worth he won't be disgruntled.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Mojo Rising

If they pay him what he's worth he won't be disgruntled.

If they pay him what he's worth and he does what most alcoholics do, they're out the money and the player. Are you sure that's what you'd do?

[chasedude]

Originally Posted by Mojo Rising

If they pay him what he's WANTS he won't be disgruntled.

FYP

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'd rather keep Allen than trade him, but if the guy is disgruntled and does not want to be here then you have to move him and get something in return.

I absolutely disagree with the logic that we only net what picks are in addition to a 1st round pick. You don't have to use that 1st pick to replace JA.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'd rather keep Allen than trade him, but if the guy is disgruntled and does not want to be here then you have to move him and get something in return.

it seems the only reason he wants to leave is because he's not getting a long-term deal.