Science is so racist

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by wutamess

That's just it... AA kinda takes the racism slant out of hiring practices by forcing traditionally white establishments to diversify.

I know people think AA isn't right but how else would the playing field be level when (my figures) 90% of CEO's, directors, etc are probably the stereotypical white male who'd otherwise tend to hire their own?

I think AA is a way to level the playing field. It's not so bad that 1-2 black people (out of 100's of jobs being offered) get preferential treatment when their qualifications are just as good as the next man (no matter what color). But if their qualifications are inferior to the other man's then i'd have a problem with that as well.

It is a very tough situation.

I think the more the older generation leaves the work place, the more chances there will be for advancement for people of different ethnicities and gender. My parents, who are in there 70's, are very old school in that regard.


People, regardless of background, have to realize that it takes hard work to be successful and there aren't any real short cuts to get there.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

It is a very tough situation.

I think the more the older generation leaves the work place, the more chances there will be for advancement for people of different ethnicities and gender. My parents, who are in there 70's, are very old school in that regard.


People, regardless of background, have to realize that it takes hard work to be successful and there aren't any real short cuts to get there.

I agree... but usually it is the HARD WORKING minority getting the AA break. I know you may not want to hear it but do you know that a minority has to do things almost twice as hard as a white person in order to get a chance?

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts. Why? Because we're stereotyped as being dumb, low lives that are incapable of intellect or intelligence. So until you can devise a system that fairly levels the playing field AA is justifiable. But then again... if the system was fair then we wouldn't need AA.

I agree that it'll eventually go away with the elderly but in the meantime AA is paving the way to make it to where future bosses will no longer consider skin color in hiring practices just like we should've overlooked the fact that Hillary was a FEMALE presidential candidate (which is the way it should be).

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts. Why? Because we're stereotyped as being dumb, low lives that are incapable of intellect or intelligence.

I don't understand this. You have to work twice as hard because minorities are stereotyped?

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't understand this. You have to work twice as hard because minorities are stereotyped?

Yes... if you look at it from a minority's perspective instead of your "I have black friends" perspective you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Yes... if you look at it from a minority's perspective instead of your "I have black friends" perspective you'll see what I'm talking about.

I can't. Perhaps you could give some examples of how minorities have to work twice as hard because of stereotypes?

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Donger

I can't. Perhaps you could give some examples of how minorities have to work twice as hard because of stereotypes?

Just trust me on that one.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Just trust me on that one.

I do trust you, but I think some examples would be beneficial.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I agree... but usually it is the HARD WORKING minority getting the AA break. I know you may not want to hear it but do you know that a minority has to do things almost twice as hard as a white person in order to get a chance?

I would agree with you on this, there are times in which that does happen and that shouldn't.

Originally Posted by wutamess

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts. Why? Because we're stereotyped as being dumb, low lives that are incapable of intellect or intelligence. So until you can devise a system that fairly levels the playing field AA is justifiable. But then again... if the system was equal we wouldn't need AA.

I think you would be hard pressed to truly prove that there isn't a level playing field. There are steps that can be taken in order to do so. Taking an active part in education of our children. There are success stories all over the place where kids have come from down and out situations and have through hard work, sometimes inspite of their parents, and have become very successful. Making sure that the children know what is expected and what will not be tolerated. Unfortunately, the infrastructure doesn't really like supporting parents in this manner. There are people that have to work twice as hard because of thought to be limitations whether it be ethnicity, gender or economic background.

Originally Posted by wutamess

I agree that it'll eventually go away with the elderly but in the meantime AA is paving the way to make it to where future bosses will no longer consider skin color in hiring practices just like we should've overlooked the fact that Hillary was a FEMALE presidential candidate (which is the way it should be).

But if a person of a different background isn't given the job on basis of qualifications, it shouldn't be labeled as racist. If it truly was, then it should be dealt with swiftly and strongly.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I agree... but usually it is the HARD WORKING minority getting the AA break. I know you may not want to hear it but do you know that a minority has to do things almost twice as hard as a white person in order to get a chance?

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove we're just as responsible or competent as our white counterparts. Why? Because we're stereotyped as being dumb, low lives that are incapable of intellect or intelligence. So until you can devise a system that fairly levels the playing field AA is justifiable. But then again... if the system was fair then we wouldn't need AA.

I agree that it'll eventually go away with the elderly but in the meantime AA is paving the way to make it to where future bosses will no longer consider skin color in hiring practices just like we should've overlooked the fact that Hillary was a FEMALE presidential candidate (which is the way it should be).

I don't agree. Sure, there may be a small percentage of places and people left nowadays that may make it more difficult on minorities. But I don't think that is the case most of the time. I think that hardest thing to change is that perception.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by wutamess

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove