****KU vs Tenn****

[KC_Connection]

Only reeruned shit about Morningstar's offense earning him minutes, completely ignoring how important his defense has been to this team. Followed shortly thereafter by Laz owning you.

Morningstar's defense has been incredibly overrated by people like yourself because of his competition (primarily jump shooters like Budinger and Christmas). He's a tiny slow white guys that lacks athleticism, and the only reason he hasn't been exposed yet (except for the Syracuse game) is that the teams haven't been good enough (or focused enough) to attack him in one-on-one situations. When that happens, his flaws will become obvious, and it will cost KU.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Morningstar's defense has been incredibly overrated by people like yourself because of his competition (primarily jump shooters like Budinger and Christmas). He's a tiny slow white guys that lacks athleticism, and the only reason he hasn't been exposed yet (except for the Syracuse game) is that the teams haven't been good enough (or focused enough) to attack him in one-on-one situations. When that happens, his flaws will become obvious, and it will cost KU.

so ....... still playing the "we haven't played anyone good enough yet" for morningstar

Temple and Arizona both tried to got after Morningstar ..... he didn't let them because he worked hard at DENYING his guy the ball so they couldn't.


man ..... you and CoMoChief could be brothers

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Laz

so ....... still playing the "we haven't played anyone good enough yet" for morningstar

No, my argument is that they haven't played anybody outside of Syracuse who has the capability of exposing his flaws (Tennessee did yesterday, but the players lacked focus and the coaching was poor).

Temple and Arizona both tried to got after Morningstar ..... he didn't let them because he worked hard at DENYING his guy the ball so they couldn't.

I seem to remember it differently, but that's fine.

man ..... you and CoMoChief could be brothers

Yes...because I blindly hate Sasha Kaun for no reason?

[leviw]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Morningstar's defense has been incredibly overrated by people like yourself because of his competition (primarily jump shooters like Budinger and Christmas). He's a tiny slow white guys that lacks athleticism, and the only reason he hasn't been exposed yet (except for the Syracuse game) is that the teams haven't been good enough (or focused enough) to attack him in one-on-one situations. When that happens, his flaws will become obvious, and it will cost KU.

But having a defender lock down jump shooters is an important asset for a team to have, no? Budinger, for example, has no interest in attacking off the dribble. I'll agree Morningstar is slow and not athletic, but he is a tenacious defender who doesn't take possessions off. So isn't it smart to put him on guys like Budinger -- Morningstar didn't fall asleep and let him get free points?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by leviw

But having a defender lock down jump shooters is an important asset for a team to have, no?

Sure, and I'll admit he's better than that than I thought, but there are players in the Big 12 that are very capable of attacking him, and they will do so.

Budinger, for example, has no interest in attacking off the dribble.

A perfect opponent for Morningstar.

I'll agree Morningstar is slow and not athletic, but he is a tenacious defender who doesn't take possessions off. So isn't it smart to put him on guys like Budinger -- Morningstar didn't fall asleep and let him get free points?

Better than putting anybody else on him I suppose, but it would be really great for the team's sake if somebody like Releford or Little (I saw good things yesterday) could develop into a good defensive player at some point this season.

Morningstar being the primary defender will hurt KU agaisnt the better, well-coached teams.

[leviw]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Sure, and I'll admit he's better than that than I thought, but there are players in the Big 12 that are very capable of attacking him, and they will do so.

Sure, but there are also plenty of spot up shooters he will have the ability to guard.

Better than putting anybody else on him I suppose, but it would be really great for the team's sake if somebody like Releford or Little (I saw good things yesterday) could develop into a good defensive player at some point this season.

Of course. But can we agree that Releford will be little more than a defensive specialist in his time at KU? He's not scorer. And we also know that to play defense for a Bill Self team, you have to do it really, really well, or you're not going to play. Now Morningstar has had two seasons (one as a redshirt) to learn how to play Bill Self defense. Releford is still learning, and if all you're going to do is play defense and not contribute offense, it's going to be that much harder to steal minutes from a guy that can score and play defense.

Little... we did see good things, but he's been hurt. Sure, you hope he steals Morningstar's minutes at some point. But he has to find his game legs and, he too, will have to learn Bill Self defense.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by leviw

Sure, but there are also plenty of spot up shooters he will have the ability to guard.

Okay, but not being able to defend driving players is a major flaw. That's all I've been saying all along.

Of course. But can we agree that Releford will be little more than a defensive specialist in his time at KU? He's not scorer.

No, I don't see how anybody could determine that, considering he's a freshman that only averages about 7 minutes a game...

And we also know that to play defense for a Bill Self team, you have to do it really, really well, or you're not going to play. Now Morningstar has had two seasons (one as a reshirt) to learn how to play Bill Self defense. Releford is still learning, and if all you're going to do is play defense and not contribute offense, it's going to be that much harder to steal minutes from a guy that can score and play defense.

I'm fully confident that Releford could score if given the minutes.

Little... we did see good things, but he's been hurt. Sure, you hope he steals Morningstar's minutes at some point. But he has to find his game legs and, he too, will have to learn Bill Self defense.

I think he'll be fine, and will eventually take a major bulk of Morningstar's minutes.

[leviw]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Okay, but not being able to defend driving players is a major flaw. That's all I've been saying all along.


No, I don't see how anybody could determine that, considering he's a freshman that only averages about 7 minutes a game...


I'm fully confident that Releford could score if given the minutes.


I think he'll be fine, and will eventually take a major bulk of Morningstar's minutes.

I'm going on what the scouts and coaches have been saying about him all along. He has the ability to score, but he's not going to go out of the way to try and score. He's not a great jump shooter, and though he's fast with the ball, he doesn't try and create off the dribble in the offense.

He's a defender.

If you need a consistent 8-12 ppg -- like this team will need with all the young players figuring things out on the fly -- you go with Morningstar, not Releford.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by leviw

I'm going on what the scouts and coaches have been saying about him all along. He has the ability to score, but he's not going to go out of the way to try and score. He's not a great jump shooter, and though he's fast with the ball, he doesn't try and create off the dribble in the offense.

I've seen some potential there for more.

He's a defender.

May be true, but I think it's tough to label somebody like him as that so soon.

If you need a consistent 8-12 ppg -- like this team will need with all the young players figuring things out on the fly -- you go with Morningstar, not Releford.

Which is why I said "as long as he continues to shoot like this, he should get the minutes."