Get of Mark Castle's back!

[pr_capone]

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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[Mecca]

You have an odd definition of pocket presence because Cassel's is awful.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.




Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.



I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.

Comparing Cassel to PM right now is not good for you.

PMs line is not as good as you make it seem to be, his release and elite level of preparation let him expose teams when they blitz..making teams shy away from doing so. That takes the pressure off the oline.

Cassel would be helping in this area if he was better prepared and had better chemistry with his receivers. Hopefully, that comes in time.

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

[stevieray]

...every WR is wide open every play...2 seconds after the snap...

...and how many different WR's has this guy had to throw to without any substantive practice for timing and rythym other than Bowe and Bradley? even these two have missed practice and playing time..as well as Cassel has from injury...

Wade
Ingram
Lelie
Chambers

no time
no timing
no success

dude has how many rushing yards due to running for his life?

I'm reminded of Green's first season due to int's....most people ate crow on that one.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by BossChief

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

ya, he hasn't taken any hits while releasing the ball.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Comparing Cassel to PM right now is not good for you.

PMs line is not as good as you make it seem to be, his release and elite level of preparation let him expose teams when they blitz..making teams shy away from doing so. That takes the pressure off the oline.

Cassel would be helping in this area if he was better prepared and had better chemistry with his receivers. Hopefully, that comes in time.

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

Can you read?

I'm not comparing Cassel to Manning.

I said

CASSEL HAS AVOIDED MORE SACKS THAN MANNING WILL BE HURRIED ALL YEAR.

How in the living **** is that comparing the two?

**** me! My special ed students have better reading comprehension than you do.

[soundmind]

Honestly, at this point you can't rag on Cassel for a lot. Have some throws been arrant of hope? Yes, admittedly so, but he's also made quite a few throws that a lot of QBs don't make, and he hasn't been careless. Watching these games, it's obvious that when we make plays, it's because something spectacular happens, not because everything worked as designed.

This horrendous offensive line is the obvious focal point for me. Our offense is not really on the offensive. We aren't making calculated movements. It all looks like a reaction to whatever happens to them instead. Quit looking around, and get better at what you do. The defense should be reacting to you, not the other way around. We look like a team full of a lot of uncertainty.

With time, could Cassel be as accurate as anyone? We have yet to see what that looks like over any length of time (by which I mean more than one play, he's stuck in a rhythm of scared shitless). He makes every throw under duress. Though I would quickly agree that the completion percentage is suck, and the yard per attempt is just ugly. I would like to see the stat on hurries, or passing attempts made outside the pocket, which only really references about....what 95% of his attempts? Those projected stats have him hitting the turf by way of sack 60+ times....good god.

Everyone has to get better. It's cliche but it's true. I just think we could see a different QB if he had some protection and a receiver or two that know how to get open. I'm also changing my mind some on Haley's role and his ability to handle it all. HE NEEDS an Offensive Coordinator so he can do his job as Head Coach. I really feel like a few things this year, and I stress a few, have seemed like grasping at straws. I like that he's emotional, but he needs to be calculated.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by milkman

That ball was a rainbow, and Chambers had to come to a virtual stop to make that catch.

Hell, you had time to go take a dump while waiting for it to come down.

completely false. chambers did not have to come close to a stop to make the catch.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

completely false. chambers did not have to come close to a stop to make the catch.

Silly Rabbit, the timing should've been perfect after a few days of practice.

[HermanHater]

Originally Posted by soundmind

Honestly, at this point you can't rag on Cassel for a lot. Have some throws been arrant of hope? Yes, admittedly so, but he's also made quite a few throws that a lot of QBs don't make, and he hasn't been careless. Watching these games, it's obvious that when we make plays, it's because something spectacular happens, not because everything worked as designed.

This horrendous offensive line is the obvious focal point for me. Our offense is not really on the offensive. We aren't making calculated movements. It all looks like a reaction to whatever happens to them instead. Quit looking around, and get better at what you do. The defense should be reacting to you, not the other way around. We look like a team full of a lot of uncertainty.

With time, could Cassel be as accurate as anyone? We have yet to see what that looks like over any length of time (by which I mean more than one play, he's stuck in a rhythm of scared shitless). He makes every throw under duress. Though I would quickly agree that the completion percentage is suck, and the yard per attempt is just ugly. I would like to see the stat on hurries, or passing attempts made outside the pocket, which only really references about....what 95% of his attempts? Those projected stats have him hitting the turf by way of sack 60+ times....good god.

Everyone has to get better. It's cliche but it's true. I just think we could see a different QB if he had some protection and a receiver or two that know how to get open. I'm also changing my mind some on Haley's role and his ability to handle it all. HE NEEDS an Offensive Coordinator so he can do his job as Head Coach. I really feel like a few things this year, and I stress a few, have seemed like grasping at straws. I like that he's emotional, but he needs to be calculated.

This. Everyone just chill and lets see what happens. Rome wasnt built in a day. (another cliche)

[ChiefsCountry]

Cassel is nothing but a crappy game manager. Pioli failed on the most important decision even more important than a head coach.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Cassel is nothing but a crappy game manger. Pioli failed on the most important decision even more important than a head coach.

Cassel :Manger? ChiefsCountry is nothing but a crappy speller.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Cassel :Manger? ChiefsCountry is nothing but a crappy speller.

Its freaking Wal-Mart having Christmas stuff out already.

[notorious]

When Cassel starts throwing the ball more then 3 yards down the field during the first 56 minutes of the game, we can start making fair comparisons.

Until then, 55% completion on 3 and 4 yard passes sucks.

[pr_capone]

Originally Posted by notorious

When Cassel starts throwing the ball more then 3 yards down the field during the first 56 minutes of the game, we can start making fair comparisons.

Until then, 55% completion on 3 and 4 yard passes sucks.

1.2 seconds from snap to being forced to throw the ball sucks more

but of course that should be more than enough time to find a receiver downfield for a nice 23 yard completion.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by pr_capone

1.2 seconds from snap to being forced to throw the ball sucks more

I am not putting it all on him, it's a combination of the team as a whole sucking ass.

There are way too many short passes.

It can't get any worse, so why not take some shots down field? Maybe, just maybe the defense will start to respect the deep passes, thus freeing up our running game a little bit.