The myth of Pioli

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Jay Glazer says otherwise:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/1...gm-scott-pioli
I'm not happy about the way Pioli has managed personnel decisions in KC anymore. But the extent people will exaggerate to criticize a guy is ridiculous. Pioli was a very big part of building the Patriots.

Holy shit, you just shot yourself in the foot.

You know what Glazer says there?

He says that Pioli created the image of Belichick as a hardass, not that Pioli had any influence on the building of that team:
"I keep hearing rumblings over there with Pioli, same stuff behind the scenes.


"Everyone tries to make it like Bill Belichick's the mastermind up there in New England. It's not. It's Pioli. It's Pioli who permeated the entire image of Belichick as this monster up there.


"And you know Belichick, he's way more laid back in that right than people think. It's Pioli who gets people to think, 'Oh man if you don't have this done quickly coach is going to go nuts. It's Pioli who's saying, 'Oh man if you don't have this done coach is going to go crazy."
"I had one personnel guy tell me, 'Scotty's driving me nuts' because he'd come in there and say, 'Where is this?'

"[The personnel guy would] say, 'Well I thought I didn't have to have it in until Tuesday.' And Scotty would say, 'Oh man Bill is going to go crazy.'

"That guy comes flying into the office that day and says, 'Oh, Bill I'm so sorry' and Bill's like, 'What are you talking about? I don't need it until Tuesday.'

"So, Pioli likes to do that.

"When he went out to Kansas City he immediately made it like he wanted to keep a secret from everybody there and he made a place that's very un-enjoyable to go to work."


You know what that makes him look like?

An incompetent asshole who is a ****ing shit stirrer at work.

And everyone has worked with at least one ****tard like that, and now, he's running your football team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Holy shit, you just shot yourself in the foot.

You know what Glazer says there?

He says that Pioli created the image of Belichick as a hardass, not that Pioli had any influence on the building of that team:
"I keep hearing rumblings over there with Pioli, same stuff behind the scenes.


"Everyone tries to make it like Bill Belichick's the mastermind up there in New England. It's not. It's Pioli. It's Pioli who permeated the entire image of Belichick as this monster up there.


"And you know Belichick, he's way more laid back in that right than people think. It's Pioli who gets people to think, 'Oh man if you don't have this done quickly coach is going to go nuts. It's Pioli who's saying, 'Oh man if you don't have this done coach is going to go crazy."
"I had one personnel guy tell me, 'Scotty's driving me nuts' because he'd come in there and say, 'Where is this?'

"[The personnel guy would] say, 'Well I thought I didn't have to have it in until Tuesday.' And Scotty would say, 'Oh man Bill is going to go crazy.'

"That guy comes flying into the office that day and says, 'Oh, Bill I'm so sorry' and Bill's like, 'What are you talking about? I don't need it until Tuesday.'

"So, Pioli likes to do that.

"When he went out to Kansas City he immediately made it like he wanted to keep a secret from everybody there and he made a place that's very un-enjoyable to go to work."


You know what that makes him look like?

An incompetent asshole who is a ****ing shit stirrer at work.

And everyone has worked with at least one ****tard like that, and now, he's running your football team.

It sounds to me like a guy who forced his scouts to work like fiends to get the right information and to get the right guy. A far departure from the Lynn Stiles method, which was to half-ass the scouting process and make a lot of decisions based on recommendations from coaches in his buddy network like John Bunting.

Bill Belichick is not the guy out there scouting. He's not the one travelling across the country looking at players, relentlessly going over combines, workouts, evaluations, etc.... He's not the one managing the scouts. He's not the one who gets the whole personnel process wheels. Belichick may have final influence on some personnel decisions. But no personnel decision can be made unless you have a team of extremely good, well managed scouts.

And from the sound of it, Pioli has his scouts going to millions of games this year across conferences.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It sounds to me like a guy who forced his scouts to work like fiends to get the right information and to get the right guy. A far departure from the Lynn Stiles method, which was to half-ass the scouting process and make a lot of decisions based on recommendations from coaches in his buddy network like John Bunting.

Bill Belichick is not the guy out there scouting. He's not the one travelling across the country looking at players, relentlessly going over combines, workouts, evaluations, etc.... He's not the one managing the scouts. He's not the one who gets the whole personnel process wheels. Belichick may have final influence on some personnel decisions. But no personnel decision can be made unless you have a team of extremely good, well managed scouts.

And from the sound of it, Pioli has his scouts going to millions of games this year across conferences.

Now that's some intellectual dishonesty right there. Just admit that you ****ed up, I'm not going to hold it against you.

With that said, just like he had his scouts going to every preseason NFL game?

Funny, how out of 60 preseason games, he found one player to sign who was waived after them...and he came from New England.

That's some ****ing due diligence.

It's also funny that you would impugn someone else for the buddy network while simultaneously praising Scott Oedipus.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Now that's some intellectual dishonesty right there. Just admit that you ****ed up, I'm not going to hold it against you.

With that said, just like he had his scouts going to every preseason NFL game?

Funny, how out of 60 preseason games, he found one player to sign who was waived after them...and he came from New England.

That's some ****ing due diligence.

It's also funny that you would impugn someone else for the buddy network while simultaneously praising Scott Oedipus.

How did I **** up?

Are you going to tell me that Bill Belichick was out there travelling across the country scouting, evaluating, going to combines, all that shit? The bulk of the personnel process is in the scouts and personnel guys you have working for you. And the article clearly shows that Pioli was the one cracking the whip on the scouts to get their jobs done.

You guys are acting as if Belichick went through this grueling personnel process. Bullshit. His personnel guys and scouts did. If anything, Pioli benefitted off of good information from his scouts and personnel guys, not from the head coach who spends 75% of his time... y'know... coaching football.

Like I said, I hate the decisions Pioli has made this offseason. But now he has his scouts in place and based on what I've read, they are attending college football games by the truckload. He deserves at least to be judged based on what he does with his own army of scouts, given that they're the one doing all the rigorous evaluations.

You're trying to say that Pioli wasn't involved with personnel decisions. That that was all Belichick. And Glazer's POV clearly points out that it was Pioli that was driving these scouts to do their jobs--the most importnat job of the personnel process. So yes, to say that Pioli was powerless in New England is a load of shit. A half-ass personnel guy wouldn't have gotten any productivity out of his scouts and they would recommend shitty players to Belichick.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How did I **** up?

Are you going to tell me that Bill Belichick was out there travelling across the country scouting, evaluating, going to combines, all that shit? The bulk of the personnel process is in the scouts and personnel guys you have working for you. And the article clearly shows that Pioli was the one cracking the whip on the scouts to get their jobs done.

You guys are acting as if Belichick went through this grueling personnel process. Bullshit. His personnel guys and scouts did. If anything, Pioli benefitted off of good information from his scouts and personnel guys, not from the head coach who spends 75% of his time... y'know... coaching football.

Like I said, I hate the decisions Pioli has made this offseason. But now he has his scouts in place and based on what I've read, they are attending college football games by the truckload. He deserves at least to be judged based on what he does with his own army of scouts, given that they're the one doing all the rigorous evaluations.

Holy shit, you know who actually does that?

The director of college scouting. That was Dimitroff's job, not Pioli's.

Furthermore, that excerpt says or implies nothing about the work that Pioli does, only that he creates an unhappy work atmosphere by portraying his boss as some kind of tyrant.

How does that, in any way, say anything about him scouting or doing extra work?

Are you on mescaline?

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Holy shit, you know who actually does that?

The director of college scouting. That was Dimitroff's job, not Pioli's.

Meh, I've read many stories of how Pioli would himself travel around from campus to campus and personally scout guys and study film, so it's not just isolated to one guy...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Meh, I've read many stories of how Pioli would himself travel around from campus to campus and personally scout guys and study film, so it's not just isolated to one guy...

And I've read instances where Belichick himself would do the same thing. A trip to the University of Maryland is referenced in Patriot Reign, for example.

Anyway, that's not Hamas' point.

Pioli wouldn't be pushing college scouts for anything, that was Dimirtoff's job.

If Pioli was pushing anyone, it was the pro scouts that worked other NFL games and helped self-scout.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Holy shit, you know who actually does that?

The director of college scouting. That was Dimitroff's job, not Pioli's.

Furthermore, that excerpt says or implies nothing about the work that Pioli does, only that he creates an unhappy work atmosphere by portraying his boss as some kind of tyrant.

How does that, in any way, say anything about him scouting or doing extra work?

Are you on mescaline?

Who was managed by Scott Pioli.

And yes, the article clearly shows that Pioli was pushing to get things done. I don't agree with his style. And yes, the article scared the shit out of me b/c I don't like the culture he's bringing into KC.

But the fingerpointing is getting ridiculous. Doesn't credit and blame always start from up top? When did it become the case that Directors were getting more credit than the VPs and GMs? Pioli managed the entire scouting network. That includes Dimitroff.

A lot of Carl Peterson's failures were due to giving too much power to Lynn Stiles to run his personnel. And for not firing Chuck Cook. That's his fault for not micro-managing them better. I've never seen an organization where the lower-level guy gets more credit than the upper-level guy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who was managed by Scott Pioli.

That's not true.

The pro personnel department and the college scouting department are separate entities that answer to the General Manager.

Or the guy that has final say when it comes to football operations.

Belichick.