Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 15

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

BillSelfsTrophycase · 01-04-2010, 01:34 AM

From WPI?

I guess the deal wasn't done

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:34 AM

O'Callaghan is what he is, a backup. B-Rich should get every opportunity to win the job next season.

As far as Pioli goes, if this draft is full of reaches and Colin Browns, I will be very interested to see how people spin it so that the myth that the Chiefs will be built into contenders in the next 3-4 years can continue to be peddled.

**chiefforlife** · 01-04-2010, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

TK was referencing Nick trying to get our posters to spend money over there. That Nick could care less about the guys already over there.

I'm not talking about handouts, or trials.

I'm interested in who went over there and bought a $100 membership based on Nick's information.

I joined that site before I even knew about this one. I continue to support that site with what is now a 109.95 yearly membership. I do the same for this site as I believe in supporting Chiefs sites. That doesnt mean I believe everything that is printed on either site.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Well, having credentials does not equal "having sources". You can have credentials all day long and sit in a press box and attend all the pressers and not know anything at all.

But one would have thought this info would have been at least shared with the people who spend their hard-earned money for the inside information back when it happened - which leads me to believe one of two things:

1. It never happened.
2. Nick is horribly negligent with what he shares with his subscribers.

Either one bodes poorly for people who spend their money with WPI.

3. It just recently came to light because of Charles play of late.

It's a non-story when the guy is a few weeks removed from a healthy scratch, and buried on the depth chart.

It's a bit more relevant when he luckily gets his chance and racks up 1000 yards in 8 games.

01-04-2010, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

TK was referencing Nick trying to get our posters to spend money over there. That Nick could care less about the guys already over there.

I'm not talking about handouts, or trials.

I'm interested in who went over there and bought a $100 membership based on Nick's information.

I don't think anybody does. Most the people spending $100 over there are people who don't know where to go for the info. I don't think they get a ton of voluntary renewals which is why part of their model is based on auto-renews with your credit card.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

Well, having credentials does not equal "having sources". You can have credentials all day long and sit in a press box and attend all the pressers and not know anything at all.

But one would have thought this info would have been at least shared with the people who spend their hard-earned money for the inside information back when it happened - which leads me to believe one of two things:

1. It never happened.
2. Nick is horribly negligent with what he shares with his subscribers.

Either one bodes poorly for people who spend their money with WPI.

I suppose that is true but I figure if you go to the pressers eventually you would develope some sources unless you're a total cheese dick. Even Nick Wright has some sources who are pretty accurate.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefforlife

I joined that site before I even knew about this one. I continue to support that site with what is now a 109.95 yearly membership. I do the same for this site as I believe in supporting Chiefs sites. That doesnt mean I believe everything that is printed on either site.

Well then, I'm not talking about you.

I'd like to know who Nick has "wooed" with his information - who's left here to pay for an annual subscription over there.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

O'Callaghan is what he is, a backup. B-Rich should get every opportunity to win the job next season.

As far as Pioli goes, if this draft is full of reaches and Colin Browns, I will be very interested to see how people spin it so that the myth that the Chiefs will be built into contenders in the next 3-4 years can continue to be peddled.

Nah if this draft sucks you can't defend Pioli. I'm interested to see how Tyson Jackson and Donald Washington turn out. Do people still think Brandon Carr is a #2 corner?

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

I suppose that is true but I figure if you go to the pressers eventually you would develope some sources unless you're a total cheese dick. Even Nick Wright has some sources who are pretty accurate.

Have you ever dined with Carl Delano Peterson?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia

I don't think anybody does. Most the people spending $100 over there are people who don't know where to go for the info. I don't think they get a ton of voluntary renewals which is why part of their model is based on auto-renews with your credit card.

That's what I thought.

Thanks.

**Reaper16** · 01-04-2010, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

Do people still think Brandon Carr is a #2 corner?

Why not?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Why not?

People expect him to cover WR's for 8 seconds, and when he doesn't, all hell breaks loose.

See today's game thread.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

Nah if this draft sucks you can't defend Pioli. I'm interested to see how Tyson Jackson and Donald Washington turn out. Do people still think Brandon Carr is a #2 corner?

I don't see a reason to believe why he can't be one. He's a young player with great natural skills getting picked on b/c the guy on the other side of him is a stud, he has NO help from safeties, and the pass rush and coordinator are abominable. It's pretty much the worst possible scenario for a player to be in.

01-04-2010, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

3. It just recently came to light because of Charles play of late.

It's a non-story when the guy is a few weeks removed from a healthy scratch, and buried on the depth chart.

It's a bit more relevant when he luckily gets his chance and racks up 1000 yards in 8 games.

That's a fair possibility, I'll admit.

I'm not questioning that Charles was trade-bait. I'm questioning compensation.

**chiefforlife** · 01-04-2010, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

3. It just recently came to light because of Charles play of late.

It's a non-story when the guy is a few weeks removed from a healthy scratch, and buried on the depth chart.

It's a bit more relevant when he luckily gets his chance and racks up 1000 yards in 8 games.

We continued to get updates on Boomer freakin Grigsby who wasnt even a Chief, I would think trading a current player was more relevent to Chiefs "insider info" than Boomer.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $850478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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