Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 14

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Yes.

A $100 membership?

Please, do tell.

**chiefforlife** · 01-04-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I'm not sure it wasn't.

I am.

**Reaper16** · 01-04-2010, 01:26 AM

I am hesitant to believe it. It sounds totally plausible considering what decisions we have to judge Pioli on, though.

01-04-2010, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Yeah, but the bridge was burned.

Yes it was, which is why I respect Nick's actions and have been able to forgive him. That bridge was torched but he paid me anyway. I never expected him to come up with a nickel more than the $500 but he did. It doesn't excuse him for everything and it doesn't buy my silence but it enabled me to move on and feel better about Nick as a person.

01-04-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A $100 membership?

Please, do tell.

FAX, CFL, FMB had a courtesy membership over there while I was there and for an undetermined amount of time thereafter as he was a member of KC media at the time.

**chiefforlife** · 01-04-2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I'll say it again:

Are uncompleted trades reported on often?

And when they are, aren't they usually well after the fact?

It wasn't news 10 weeks ago, because the coaching staff buried Charles on the depth chart.

It has a bit more relevance now that the kid finally got a chance (Thanks, LJ!) and has put up 1000 yards in 8 games.

Uncompleted trades often go unreported, yes. If this news has recently come to light, how, from where?
I dont like it when people just make statements and then dont produce a source.
If another poster on here said this, would you not ask for a source? Or would you say, "see Pioli is an idiot."

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I'll say it again:

Are uncompleted trades reported on often?

And when they are, aren't they usually well after the fact?

It wasn't news 10 weeks ago, because the coaching staff buried Charles on the depth chart.

It has a bit more relevance now that the kid finally got a chance (Thanks, LJ!) and has put up 1000 yards in 8 games.

Heres the thing Warpath, I've asked Claythan to be a little more specific about where he got this information and nothing has been posted. How would Wipe know? I recall Claythan talking about how Pioli being secretive about info and not giving Wipe press credentials hurt the business. Why was this information not talked about until now? How can I believe a business that doesn't even have credentials?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

FAX, CFL, FMB had a courtesy membership over there while I was there and for an undetermined amount of time thereafter as he was a member of KC media at the time.

TK was referencing Nick trying to get our posters to spend money over there. That Nick could care less about the guys already over there.

I'm not talking about handouts, or trials.

I'm interested in who went over there and bought a $100 membership based on Nick's information.

tk13 · 01-04-2010, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A $100 membership?

Please, do tell.

When he yanked Phobia away from us he took a lot of people with him. I know they didn't all pay $100 memberships... but I'm sure some did. He took one of our most credible members because he wanted our business, he would've been glad to tear this place apart for his own personal gain. All's far, but you have to call it like you see it.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Heres the thing Warpath, I've asked Claythan to be a little more specific about where he got this information and nothing has been posted. How would Wipe know? I recall Claythan talking about how Pioli being secretive about info and not giving Wipe press credentials hurt the business. Why was this information not talked about until now? How can I believe a business that doesn't even have credentials?

We had credentials this year, just not on gameday.

I'm not posting anything because...I'm not Nick. I don't know anything about this stuff. I just posted it because it's clearly interesting.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife

Uncompleted trades often go unreported, yes. If this news has recently come to light, how, from where?
I dont like it when people just make statements and then dont produce a source.
If another poster on here said this, would you not ask for a source? Or would you say, "see Pioli is an idiot."

You must not like a lot of sports news, because the actual source is rarely, if ever revealed.

I'm confident you are smart enough to understand why.

MeatRock · 01-04-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Admittedly, Richardson didn't show anything against the Browns. He was really bad. He IS more talented, though.

Look im not disputing that Richardson has more long term upside, if he ever reaches it. Based off of what iv seen from him over the last few years its not promising. I'm just sayin for a RT O'Call is a good run blocker. Below average Pass blocker and needs more work but is improving.

tk13 · 01-04-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A $100 membership?

Please, do tell.

When he yanked Phobia away from us he took a lot of people with him. I know they didn't all pay $100 memberships... but I'm sure some did. He took one of our most credible members because he wanted our business, he would've been glad to tear this place apart for his own personal gain. All's fair in business I guess, but you have to call it like you see it. Just because he didn't succeed didn't mean it wasn't his goal.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

I'm just sayin for a RT O'Call is a good run blocker. Below average Pass blocker and needs more work but is improving.

I don't think there's a magical cure for lead feet. I don't see him as a long-term starter at RT. Guard, maybe?

01-04-2010, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Heres the thing Warpath, I've asked Claythan to be a little more specific about where he got this information and nothing has been posted. How would Wipe know? I recall Claythan talking about how Pioli being secretive about info and not giving Wipe press credentials hurt the business. Why was this information not talked about until now? How can I believe a business that doesn't even have credentials?

Well, having credentials does not equal "having sources". You can have credentials all day long and sit in a press box and attend all the pressers and not know anything at all.

But one would have thought this info would have been at least shared with the people who spend their hard-earned money for the inside information back when it happened - which leads me to believe one of two things:

1. It never happened.
2. Nick is horribly negligent with what he shares with his subscribers.

Either one bodes poorly for people who spend their money with WPI.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
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