Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 28

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

**RNR** · 01-04-2010, 01:05 PM

The 49ers once offered up Joe Montana for a 8th round pick back when the draft went 12 rounds. There were no takers on what everyone felt was a skinny weak armed QB. Bill Walsh came to the 49ers and the rest is history. I am sure when Bledsoe was king in N.E. if somebody had offered up a decent round draft pick Brady would be playing somewhere else. Deron Cherry was a free agent punter and was cut and later resigned. If anyone had even tossed a late rounder they could have had him. I am certain Atlanta wished they could have given back that 2nd round pick they got for Favre over the years. It is an interesting tidbit but these type of stories are very common in the NFL.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Who said anything about replacing him how about just 2nd string? You realize he got just 8 attempts in 2 games when LJ was out?

Also LJ wasn't a 1700 yd rusher in 2007 he was a washed 559 yd RB

Jamaal Charles was a rookie in 2008. At the beginning of 2008, Larry Johnson was a year removed from back to back 1700 yard seasons.

This isn't that hard to understand.

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 01:06 PM

I think we also need to look at what happened to Charles earlier in the year and perhaps admit that in the case of Jamaal Charles, he ended up being motivated by the early season inactivation and seeing guys around him being cut or traded, and ended up taking his job more seriously, worked on his fumble issues, hit the film room, and made sure he started treating every carry like his last.

He's certainly a better player right now than he was last year or at the beginning of this year. I highly doubt if he was the starter from game 1 he'd be as good as we've seen him be here in the 2nd half of the year. And for that, I'd give Charles and the staff credit for turning him into the player we've been seeing...

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

The 49ers once offered up Joe Montana for a 8th round pick back when the draft went 12 rounds. There were no takers on what everyone felt was a skinny weak armed QB. Bill Walsh came to the 49ers and the rest is history. I am sure when Bledsoe was king in N.E. if somebody had offered up a decent round draft pick Brady would be playing somewhere else. Deron Cherry was a free agent punter and was cut and later resigned. If anyone had even tossed a late rounder they could have had him. I am certain Atlanta wished they could have given back that 2nd round pick they got for Favre over the years. It is an interesting tidbit but these type of stories are very common in the NFL.

More slobbering, incoherent nonsense from a Raiders fan. Typical.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Who said anything about replacing him how about just 2nd string? You realize he got just 8 attempts in 2 games when LJ was out?

Also LJ wasn't a 1700 yd rusher in 2007 he was a washed 559 yd RB

Do you understand what "a year removed" means?

Damn.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wow, Hootie really knocked it out of the park there, fellas.

do you really want me to go cherrypick every single thing I said that was dead on this year?

I could make hamas look like a damn fool in a thread where I was arguing Tony Romo was a great QB and he said he was one of the worst QB's in the league...but I don't feel like taking the effort to go dig up old threads...

Or perhaps I could make Mecca look like an idiot when he was bashing me before the season started for saying Chris Johnson was the best RB in the league...

Man I'm such a moron...I never offer any football takes...etc. etc. etc.

Mecca tells me Carson Palmer is a top QB in the league...Carson Palmer can't even come close to holding half of Tony Romo's jock.

FAX · 01-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Our advantage, however, is that other GMs are somewhat fearful to do business with the Executive of the Decade, lest he surely fleece them.

Quite so, Confucius. Many are the NFL owners whose undergarments now permanently reside in Pioli's closet.

They probably all wanted Charles and could see that he was a 2000 yard-a-year type of player, but were only willing to give up a 7th rounder and a bag of towels out of fear.

FAX

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

do you really want me to go cherrypick every single thing I said that was dead on this year?

I could make hamas look like a damn fool in a thread where I was arguing Tony Romo was a great QB and he said he was one of the worst QB's in the league...but I don't feel like taking the effort to go dig up old threads...

Or perhaps I could make Mecca look like an idiot when he was bashing me before the season started for saying Chris Johnson was the best RB in the league...

Man I'm such a moron...I never offer any football takes...etc. etc. etc.

Mecca tells me Carson Palmer is a top QB in the league...Carson Palmer can't even come close to holding half of Tony Romo's jock.

Save this post for when Romo ****s up in the playoffs.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaWolf

I think we also need to look at what happened to Charles earlier in the year and perhaps admit that in the case of Jamaal Charles, he ended up being motivated by the early season inactivation and seeing guys around him being cut or traded, and ended up taking his job more seriously, worked on his fumble issues, hit the film room, and made sure he started treating every carry like his last.

He's certainly a better player right now than he was last year or at the beginning of this year. I highly doubt if he was the starter from game 1 he'd be as good as we've seen him be here in the 2nd half of the year. And for that, I'd give Charles and the staff credit for turning him into the player we've been seeing...

this makes sense

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

do you really want me to go cherrypick every single thing I said that was dead on this year?

I could make hamas look like a damn fool in a thread where I was arguing Tony Romo was a great QB and he said he was one of the worst QB's in the league...but I don't feel like taking the effort to go dig up old threads...

Or perhaps I could make Mecca look like an idiot when he was bashing me before the season started for saying Chris Johnson was the best RB in the league...

Man I'm such a moron...I never offer any football takes...etc. etc. etc.

Mecca tells me Carson Palmer is a top QB in the league...Carson Palmer can't even come close to holding half of Tony Romo's jock.

Aw, what's wrong?

Did I hurt your feelings?

You have no problem dishing it out, usually invented in your own head, but you sure don't have the balls to take it.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wow, Hootie really knocked it out of the park there, fellas.

hey i just read that thread...

what exactly did I not "knock out of the park"...?

Are you kidding?

I guessed Hali would have 10 sacks, he had 8.5...I guessed Larry would have 85 yards that game...I think he had around that many...I said Jared Allen could be just as good as DeMarcus Ware in a 3-4...and I still think that...

You're a ****ing moron man...plain and simple. Another know-it-all with an anti-Chiefs agenda that doesn't really know shit...

**RNR** · 01-04-2010, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

More slobbering, incoherent nonsense from a Raiders fan. Typical.

I have to do something to pass the time while my favorite team sets the alltime record for 11+ loss seasons~

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

So, you are now saying that Jamaal Charles is not only a third down back?

Amazingly....and hold on to your seats for this one, he did more than what he was drafted for.

WOW!!

The fact that he was drafted as a change of pace, pass receiving, 3rd down and KR, and that he was great value for that does not obviate him from being more than that, nor does the drafting of someone mean that they are relegated to that role for their entire career.

He was drafted to be Lightning to Johnson's thunder, or Jones to his Barber. And he did that amazingly well when given the opportunity.

Here's the amazingly simplistic fact of the matter. Jamaal Charles is a football player. Larry Johnson is also a football player. When looking at them both in 2009, our FO decided that Johnson > Charles, when droves of people on here, who themselves did not see the extent of Charles' potential, even then said that Charles was better than LJ, hence my quote from week 2 upon his deactivation.

That's damning

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

hey i just read that thread...

what exactly did I not "knock out of the park"...?

Are you kidding?

I guessed Hali would have 10 sacks, he had 8.5...I guessed Larry would have 85 yards that game...I think he had around that many...I said Jared Allen could be just as good as DeMarcus Ware in a 3-4...and I still think that...

You're a ****ing moron man...plain and simple. Another know-it-all with an anti-Chiefs agenda that doesn't really know shit...

Like the fact that Larry Johnson is better than Jamaal Charles?

wild1 · 01-04-2010, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Do you understand what "a year removed" means?

Damn.

Massaging the data to skim the fact that LJ hasn't done anything special in any of the last 3 seasons?

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $850478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I think we also need to look at what happened to Charles earlier in the year and perhaps admit that in the case of Jamaal Charles, he ended up being motivated by the early season inactivation and seeing guys around him being cut or traded, and ended up taking his job more seriously, worked on his fumble issues, hit the film room, and made sure he started treating every carry like his last. He's certainly a better player right now than he was last year or at the beginning of this year. I highly doubt if he was the starter from game 1 he'd be as good as we've seen him be here in the 2nd half of the year. And for that, I'd give Charles and the staff credit for turning him into the player we've been seeing...
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