Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 25

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Frankie · 01-04-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

at all of you who believe this shit coming from WPI. Some of you Pioli haters have sunk to new lows in your hate.

I, for one, am not a Pioli hater. But I have to admit his personnel decisions, so far, have been looking mostly illogical.

**alpha_omega** · 01-04-2010, 12:38 PM

No way....even I know that JC is worth more than a 5!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

If Hamas said that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back then he needs to st.f.u about the player evaluation skills of the front office and bitching about the OP story that so far, doesn't have any teeth. It's ridiculous.

Nevermind, just saw it........

So there it is. Now

about it.

Third down backs and change of pace guys are very valuable. There is no one who expected Charles to rush for 260 yards in a game, but I can damn sure tell you that there were several people who didn't want to sell him off for a late second day pick.

I've been as high on Charles as anyone on this site from the time he was a rookie, even if that ceiling was even higher than I'd imagined.

Hell, I had a disagreement with Mecca in the '08 draft thread about Felix Jones vs. Charles, arguing that Charles was the same kind of player and could be had later....turns out, Charles is better than Jones.

Frankie · 01-04-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I can detect stupid, and it's not rocket science... the word Frankie is usually close by.

Let me guess, you believe the world is 6000 years old. The rest of us are "stupid" to you.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

....
On hearing about the deactivation of Charles

Link for the discussion about Charles being deactivated, please?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 12:41 PM

The only criticism I have ever levied against Charles is that he is unable to take the pounding of a full load across an entire NFL season.

Search for something else, you won't find it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Link for the discussion about Charles being deactivated, please?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...antrell+Savage

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, the irony.

Let's take a look at past history:

Everyone is on the block

Add in the fact that we traded two players before the deadline

Then add in the fact that Charles was languishing on the bench

Then add in the fact that Washington needed a RB b/c Portis was brain dead.

But, since Pioli has no history of trading players from prior regimes, like say Tank Tyler or Tyler Thigpen, the thought that he'd trade another backup is completely out of the ****ing question, especially when he said that everyone, sans Matt Delhomme was on the block.

And we are the ones who are blinded by emotion.

Right.

Soooo, because A happened, then B must be true without a doubt.

Using that logic, this particular source has been full of BS on almost all of his "inside reporting". Does it then not stand that he's probably wrong here too?

**Reaper16** · 01-04-2010, 12:45 PM

Saying that Charles was going to be the teams 3rd down back was just a statement of fact. The Chiefs had a starter at the time with a large contract -- Larry Johnson.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...antrell+Savage

Wow, Hootie really knocked it out of the park there, fellas.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think we need to turn the page on many of these debates.

The first year for the new regime did NOT go well. There's simply no getting around that. There were failures in the draft, FA, and talent evaluation. Game management was often a travesty.

That said, Pioli and Haley are going to be around in 2010. I'm hopeful they'll have learned from their mistakes, and I'm also ready to start evaluating new decisions from here on out.

Very good post Deez.

**Donger** · 01-04-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The only criticism I have ever levied against Charles is that he is unable to take the pounding of a full load across an entire NFL season.

Search for something else, you won't find it.

Does "third down back" = "buried on the depth chart"?

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Third down backs and change of pace guys are very valuable. There is no one who expected Charles to rush for 260 yards in a game, but I can damn sure tell you that there were several people who didn't want to sell him off for a late second day pick.

I've been as high on Charles as anyone on this site from the time he was a rookie, even if that ceiling was even higher than I'd imagined.

Hell, I had a disagreement with Mecca in the '08 draft thread about Felix Jones vs. Charles, arguing that Charles was the same kind of player and could be had later....turns out, Charles is better than Jones.

I've called him a 3rd down back as well, and still have concerns about what a full season of "feature back" pounding would do for him. It's good to see him be one of the guys to step up and grab his opportunity to do something. He's certainly exceeded what I think most anyone, including the coaches, expected. But that's usually the story in the NFL when guys aren't first rounders...

TheGuardian · 01-04-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You have quite a way with words, and well, actually reading them.

Nowhere in that post does he claim that Charles was nothing more than a 3rd down back, or that he'd never be more than a 3rd down back, only that he would serve that purpose. Implying that he'd be a 3rd down back his rookie year. Nothing referencing the future.

Again, the post in question is from right after we drafted him.

Reading is fundamental.

I read it. Stating that a guy is going to be our third down back isn't really saying anything other than........he's going to be our third down back.

I don't recall a single person in here calling for Charles to be the starter opening day. I'm sick of people bitching just to bitch.

find another MF'ing team since you hate everything/anything to do with this one.

DaWolf · 01-04-2010, 12:52 PM

Hell, Dick Vermeil initially thought Priest Holmes was going to be a 3rd down back...

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