Chiefs Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli - Page 6

Nightfyre · 09-07-2011, 12:53 AM

Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

x2

X3

King_Chief_Fan · 09-07-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

like we care.

milkman · 09-07-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

What opinion?

chris · 09-07-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

REP!

**The Franchise** · 09-07-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What opinion?

He only has two.

1. HERM SUX0RS!!!!!!
2. LEAVE MATT CASSEL ALONE!!!!

chris · 09-07-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

and get back under the table.

Lame

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

He only has two.

1. HERM SUX0RS!!!!!!
2. LEAVE MATT CASSEL ALONE!!!!

1. Welcome to 3 years ago... Way to be on top of your game..

2. Agian, I could careless if Cassel is the QB or not. He isnt the future of this franchise no matter how many times you tell me he is... (see I can accuse you of false shit too)...

Direckshun · 09-07-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

2009: F. Bad draft. Firing OC 2 weeks before the season. Haley over his head. DC that didn't fit.

2010: A. Good draft. Hired 2 very good coordinators. Team overachieves and makes playoffs.

2011: Inc.

This.

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

What opinion?

that one..

Fish · 09-07-2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

Yes... every 4th or 5th post of yours reminds us just how little you care...

Reerun_KC · 09-07-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Yes... every 4th or 5th post of yours reminds us just how little you care...

Reerun doesnt care....

and I dont care the you thought Herm didnt get a fair shake in the end either...

Mr. Laz · 09-07-2011, 10:49 AM

Pioli gets a B+ because he turned the Chiefs around faster than any of us thought he would. He's a really good talent evaluator, which bodes well for use long term.

He does have his weaknesses

1. Haley - i'm not sure about him at all. He could turn into Goonther Cunningham in a heartbeat imo.

2. Slow mover - maybe his strength and his weakness. He is just not going to be reckless about things and that also means he will miss a few chances.

3. Free agency - also a strength and a weakness. He won't go nuts and screw shit up in free agency. But he also going to miss out on some real chances to gain talent because he just doesn't believe that Free Agency is generally worth the risk.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-07-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Pioli gets a B+ because he turned the Chiefs around faster than any of us thought he would.

Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

Rooster · 09-07-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

IMO that is a very real possibility.

**HemiEd** · 09-07-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

09-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1358849	Mid-Term Evaluation: Grading Scott Pioli Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so. Mine: Changes in Head Coaches: Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have. Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes. Drafting: 2009 - Round 1: Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position. Round 2: Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service. Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part. Round 3: Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later. Round 4: Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him) Round 5: Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster. Round 6: Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad Round 7: Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans. Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot? Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one. 2010: Round 1: Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year. Round 2: Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick. Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite. Round 3: Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential. Round 4: Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon. Round 5: Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve. Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player. 2011 Draft: Round 1: Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside. Round 2: Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now. Round 3: Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar. Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside. Round 4: Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar. Round 5: Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet. Round 6: Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet. Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six. Round 7: Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad. OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added. Notable Free Agents: 2009: Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB. Terrence Copper - Special Teams player 2010: Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective. Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand. Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him. Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC. Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective. Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway. 2011: Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe. Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank. Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of. Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR. Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic. Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season. Free Agency Grade: B- We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency. Pioli's overall grade: B He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Pioli gets a B+ because he turned the Chiefs around faster than any of us thought he would. He's a really good talent evaluator, which bodes well for use long term. He does have his weaknesses 1. Haley - i'm not sure about him at all. He could turn into Goonther Cunningham in a heartbeat imo. 2. Slow mover - maybe his strength and his weakness. He is just not going to be reckless about things and that also means he will miss a few chances. 3. Free agency - also a strength and a weakness. He won't go nuts and screw shit up in free agency. But he also going to miss out on some real chances to gain talent because he just doesn't believe that Free Agency is generally worth the risk. __________________
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