AFCW - so is Oakland going to win it?

[Hammock Parties]

Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game.

They may not and they're not getting each of those things in every game as it is now. The defense needs to continue playing at the high level they've been on in the last month. The Patriots are the only legit powerhouse left on the schedule... Chargers will be tough, always are. The Bears took a big hit with Cutler's injury.

Half of Denver's remaining games are quite winnable without all the things you referenced. We'll see how it goes... I'd like to see them pull it off for no other reason that turning things around a bit, but for me to be "sold on the future" of this thing... Tebow and the passing game really has to step up. And, that could be a difficult thing to do, they're just not equipped with the TEs/WRs to work effectively in this style. If they stick with Tebow going forward... lots of things to address.

We'll see.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

They may not and they're not getting each of those things in every game as it is now.

You beat Miami because of an onside kick.

You beat the Chiefs because of a 60-yard TD pass.

You beat the Jets because of a pick six.

Don't even get me started on the Raider game. You had a 60-yard TD run AND an 85-yard punt return.

You're not going to get miracles every week.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

. You're not going to get miracles every week.

I dunno....maybe God really does like Tim .

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

You beat Miami because of an onside kick.

You beat the Chiefs because of a 60-yard TD pass.

You beat the Jets because of a pick six.

Don't even get me started on the Raider game. You had a 60-yard TD run AND an 85-yard punt return.

You're not going to get miracles every week.

I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

You don't beat the Dolphins without that onside kick, and you don't beat the Jets without Sanchez handing you 7 points.

Those cannot be argued.

Freaking miracles.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

You don't beat the Dolphins without that onside kick, and you don't beat the Jets without Sanchez handing you 7 points.

Those cannot be argued.

Freaking miracles.

See my reply to Fax and I don't think anyone would say Sanchez throwing an INT is a miracle... especially when you see how he played that night. Hell, the pass just before the INT should have been picked off.

Sanchez is not a very good QB... he's ridden the defense and ground game. Tebow is doing that now... time for him and the receivers to step it up.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I think you're nit-picking a bit much... one play didn't decide any of those games. Discounting how well the defense played in each is not giving them enough credit.

So, the 250 rushing yards (on average) in the OAK and KC games had nothing to do with - you know ball control and everything.

The fact that the opposing teams had mediocre/poor QB play had something to do with it as well... and look at the remaining games, Brady is the only one that you can say is consistently really good.

If you want to say that 1 or 2 big plays won those games and that's the only reason... so be it, I just think you're over looking several other factors in each game.

I've heard this a lot. But, it's not necessarily true.

The fact of the matter is that there are one or two plays or three or four plays or sometimes five plays in every game that decide the outcome.

That's why you hear coaches say, "Make a play!" They don't say, "Make 30 plays!". Nope. Never. It's always, "Make a play!" ... A ... Play ... Singular.

FAX

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by FAX

I've heard this a lot. But, it's not necessarily true.

The fact of the matter is that there are one or two plays or three or four plays or sometimes five plays in every game that decide the outcome.

That's why you hear coaches say, "Make a play!" They don't say, "Make 30 plays!". Nope. Never. It's always, "Make a play!" ... A ... Play ... Singular.

FAX

True, but when a team loses... you can typically point to a half dozen plays throughout the game... not just "that last play" and say had something different happened here, it would have changed the course of the game.

I'll give you the Miami game... there's no denying that one.

In the Jets game, they were up 10-3 in the 3rd quarter when the Pick 6 happened... there were 4:32 minutes left in the 3rd quarter when Goodman tied it up with that INT return. It was 3rd and 6 and NY was likely going to punt again, giving DEN great field position again...

That INT was one of many different things you could point to...

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

It's uncanny how much you are wrong.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Denver is not winning shit. They are not going to continue to get onside kicks, pick sixes and 60-yard TD passes each game. They have been shot with luck.

Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ok, so what was the fluke moment in yesterday's game for the Broncos?

The moment the ball was kicked off

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by R8ers

The moment the ball was kicked off

Interesting...

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Interesting...

Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

That's pretty much on par with what I have been saying. The offense has been very conservative and very run focused... but, you know that - just look at the last DEN/OAK game.