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Old 12-01-2011, 07:07 AM   #1
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Pioli is a very good judge of QB's

see Matt Cassel..
Who should he have gone with then?

The magical list of franchise QB's he passed on in the draft that doesn't exist?
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Old 12-01-2011, 07:41 AM   #2
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Who should he have gone with then?

The magical list of franchise QB's he passed on in the draft that doesn't exist?
I don't think anyone can really argue that we shouldn't have drafted Josh Freeman.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:01 AM   #3
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I don't think anyone can really argue that we shouldn't have drafted Josh Freeman.
Freeman has thrown 16 INTs this season, already.

He played out of his head for 1 season and now his feet are back on planet earth.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:30 AM   #4
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Freeman has thrown 16 INTs this season, already.

He played out of his head for 1 season and now his feet are back on planet earth.
Yeah, but you can't really say he'd be doing that in KC, and he's a young player with room to improve.

I'd feel a lot better about our QB position if we had Freeman on the roster right now and anyone that disagrees is lying.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:21 AM   #5
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Yeah, but you can't really say he'd be doing that in KC, and he's a young player with room to improve.

I'd feel a lot better about our QB position if we had Freeman on the roster right now and anyone that disagrees is lying.
Freeman did not meet hardly any of the Parcells quarterback pillars.

He came out as a junior.
He did not win 23 games.
As far as I can find, he did not graduate.
He really wasn't even a full three-year starter as he took over the starting role in the sixth week in 2006.

Maybe Parcell's method is antiquated, but it was probably a portion of the criteria Pioli used to assess QBs.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:38 PM   #6
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Freeman did not meet hardly any of the Parcells quarterback pillars.

He came out as a junior.
He did not win 23 games.
As far as I can find, he did not graduate.
He really wasn't even a full three-year starter as he took over the starting role in the sixth week in 2006.

Maybe Parcell's method is antiquated, but it was probably a portion of the criteria Pioli used to assess QBs.
How does Cassel measure up to that standard?
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:42 PM   #7
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How does Cassel measure up to that standard?
Ouch.....
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:02 PM   #8
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Freeman did not meet hardly any of the Parcells quarterback pillars.

He came out as a junior.
He did not win 23 games.
As far as I can find, he did not graduate.
He really wasn't even a full three-year starter as he took over the starting role in the sixth week in 2006.

Maybe Parcell's method is antiquated, but it was probably a portion of the criteria Pioli used to assess QBs.
I've already pointed this out, but neither Brady nor Bledsoe met Parcells' definition. It's complete ****ing hypocrisy.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:36 PM   #9
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Yeah, but you can't really say he'd be doing that in KC, and he's a young player with room to improve.

I'd feel a lot better about our QB position if we had Freeman on the roster right now and anyone that disagrees is lying.
Maybe so. Or maybe they wasted three years on an okay QB that's not franchise. I think Tampa and the Jets are both really wondering the same thing.

I want a first round QB too and think that's the only way we should go. But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too. A few years from now, the Bucs may end up saying... maybe we should have gone the Browns' route (with Brady Quinn) and cut our losses.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:53 AM   #10
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Maybe so. Or maybe they wasted three years on an okay QB that's not franchise. I think Tampa and the Jets are both really wondering the same thing.

I want a first round QB too and think that's the only way we should go. But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too. A few years from now, the Bucs may end up saying... maybe we should have gone the Browns' route (with Brady Quinn) and cut our losses.
"But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too." How is that any different than picking up career back up? We have three playoff wins since SB IV. From a playoff standpoint, drafting a 1st round QB and failing with him cant set us back anymore than the crap we constantly bring in does.
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"But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too." How is that any different than picking up career back up? We have three playoff wins since SB IV. From a playoff standpoint, drafting a 1st round QB and failing with him cant set us back anymore than the crap we constantly bring in does.
Exactly. Even when you "fail" with the franchise QB like he alludes to with Sanchez, the team has at least won a few playoff games and made the AFC Championship.
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"But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too." How is that any different than picking up career back up? We have three playoff wins since SB IV. From a playoff standpoint, drafting a 1st round QB and failing with him cant set us back anymore than the crap we constantly bring in does.
Which is why the Chiefs needed to see what Stanzi has, even if its to be backup to said 1st round pick. We have not had a QB start more than 5 seasons since Len Dawson.
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Maybe so. Or maybe they wasted three years on an okay QB that's not franchise. I think Tampa and the Jets are both really wondering the same thing.

I want a first round QB too and think that's the only way we should go. But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too. A few years from now, the Bucs may end up saying... maybe we should have gone the Browns' route (with Brady Quinn) and cut our losses.
What would that accomplish?

Isn't winning the Super Bowl the goal?
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What would that accomplish?

Isn't winning the Super Bowl the goal?
Nope. The goal is a full Arrowhead, scores of money spent on concessions, and the hope that things just might go our way with retread "X" if we try long enough.
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Maybe so. Or maybe they wasted three years on an okay QB that's not franchise. I think Tampa and the Jets are both really wondering the same thing.

I want a first round QB too and think that's the only way we should go. But choosing the wrong first rounder will set the franchise backward too. A few years from now, the Bucs may end up saying... maybe we should have gone the Browns' route (with Brady Quinn) and cut our losses.
Such a moronic line of argument. How can you set a franchise back if the franchise hasn't gone anywhere? Drafting a QB high that fails only sets you back from the retread route whose ceiling is 10-6 and a first round playoff ass whipping.

Big. ****ing. Deal.
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