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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built. 142 61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please. 79 34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks. 11 4.74%
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM  
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Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:18 PM   #166
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lose/lose situation

If we keep him and he won't allow a real OC to come on board then it's no telling how long it will be before he grows up and figures out how to run things. If ever.

If we fire him then it's another transitional period and another couple of steps backward.


it's a messed up situation
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:29 PM   #167
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It took Cowher 15 yrs to win the SB. (Win=Officials gift)
Let's take that away.

Let's say the Seahawks won.

His coordinators (his coaching tree) still went on to be HC's.

They flamed out. Agreed.

Dom Capers held on too long to Kerry Collins. Dick Lebeau went tits-up with the Bengals. Chan Gailey couldn't get the Cowboys on track.

A decade later they're all looking a helluva' lot better in retrospect.

Gailey is the only one not to win a SB and Dick is in the HOF AS AN ACTIVE COACH.

THAT IS COACHING.

We might have that in our DC. He's the only one I truly believe hasn't pushed his chips in...
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:42 PM   #168
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Retread coaches who won Super Bowls:

Weeb Ewbank
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Mike Shanahan
Dick Vermeil
Jon Gruden
Bill Belichick
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Tom Coughlin

Eight retread coaches out of 30 Super Bowl winners accounted for 12 Super Bowl wins. Those odds aren't horrible.

I kinda want to add Marv Levy to that list, too, because they only lost 4 Super Bowls because of extremely long odds.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:43 PM   #169
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lose/lose situation

If we keep him and he won't allow a real OC to come on board then it's no telling how long it will be before he grows up and figures out how to run things. If ever.

If we fire him then it's another transitional period and another couple of steps backward.


it's a messed up situation
It's a real messed up situation. I agree w/ you Laz. I wouldn't really want to see another transitional period going on if the Chiefs ever decided to fire him. Bring a new coach in, and pretty much this whole entire staff is gone. There are some coaches on this staff that are worthy of keeping.

My point is, new coach=new coaching staff=installment of a new system=new players.

Chiefs already have a core. Especially on defense. I wouldn't want to see that core disrupted. Id like to see them hire within. I think Romeo would be ideal. I know a lot of people would oppose this, but, at least he could keep his defensive system here and maintain the same players. And at least those players wouldn't have to learn a new scheme. Bring in a well established QB like Peyton(if available/healthy) and let him bring his own offensive system in here. The defensive guy can do his own thing and the offensive guy can also do his own thing.

This is a perfect idea. No conflicts. Its a perfect situation for the Chiefs! They get that QB to get them over that hump and help them compete. And at the same time, they have an offensive mastermind at the helm. No big heads clashing at each other. One guy specializes in one area, the other guy specializes in another area. And both Manning & Romeo are excellent tactitions.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:47 PM   #171
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Chiefs already have a core. Especially on defense. I wouldn't want to see that core disrupted.
The new coach is not going to be dumb enough to dump talented players.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:55 PM   #172
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Herm wouldn't be promoted above scout for the Steelers...
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The new coach is not going to be dumb enough to dump talented players.
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The new coach is not going to be dumb enough to dump talented players.
Even if he doesn't, the players will probably have to learn a different scheme. I'm content with this current defense and the scheme they have in place. Imo, you get a new coaching staff, transition is most likely to happen one way or another. The only thing I'm wondering is, are the players on defense versatile when it comes to playing in different schemes.
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Even if he doesn't, the players will probably have to learn a different scheme. I'm content with this current defense and the scheme they have in place. Imo, you get a new coaching staff, transition is most likely to happen one way or another. The only thing I'm wondering is, are the players on defense versatile when it comes to schemes.
It's not like we're going to be switching to the 4-3.

We have enough talent on D that we're going to be fine. It's not like this is the #1 or even a top 10 D at the moment.
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It will not be a mistake when Pioli fires Haley. Not because he isn't a good coach. Because he is a petulant child who is a control freak.
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You're using the exception to create the rule?
The rule is that no coach in NFL history has WON a superbowl with two different teams.

No one.

They have gone and lost, then won with another team.

They have won, and then gone and lost.

No one has won, gone, and won again.

Cowher=historically bad decision for a team that wants a title.
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