Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 11

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

TheGuardian · 12-08-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

McCarthy, Payton, Tomlin.

That's it.

Ok let's do this....over the last 20 years.

**Rausch** · 12-08-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Ok let's do this....over the last 20 years.

And you would pick whom for the next HC?

Ok, let's do this...(edit: pick 4)

TheGuardian · 12-08-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And you would pick whom for the next HC?

Ok, let's do this...(edit: pick 4)

I guess what I am getting at is, we are almost ASSURED that we won't get to a SB with a retread. Same thing with a QB. It just doesn't happen much.

I'll take my chances with Haley and drafting him a guy that looks like a potential franchise QB.

to me this sounds like a good plan.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 10:42 AM

Dont worry haley not getting fired.

12-08-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're using the exception to create the rule?

No. I'm just throwing out a name. Dick Vermeil is another exception. It happens. But SuperBowl QB's tend to stay with their original teams and coaches bouncing all over the place every 2-3 years is still a relatively new thing. I just don't think there's enough data to accurately determine whether a QB in his prime can go to a SB with multiple teams.

Brock · 12-08-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Dont worry haley not getting fired.

You keep saying that, but you don't really have anything to back it up with.

**Rausch** · 12-08-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I guess what I am getting at is, we are almost ASSURED that we won't get to a SB with a retread. Same thing with a QB. It just doesn't happen much.

I'll take my chances with Haley and drafting him a guy that looks like a potential franchise QB.

to me this sounds like a good plan.

No, you feel I'm wrong and you're right.

That's fine.

The answer is not in a HC/QB that's won a SB.

So pick the next one more likely that will...

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You keep saying that, but you don't really have anything to back it up with.

and people keep saying he is getting fired with nothing to so whats your point?

Brock · 12-08-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

and people keep saying he is getting fired with nothing to so whats your point?

"With nothing"? This season is not "nothing". Past behavior of NFL teams is not "nothing".

Like I've said before, the only reason he wouldn't be fired is because Clark doesn't want to pay him for a year to do nothing.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

"With nothing"? This season is not "nothing". Past behavior of NFL teams is not "nothing".

Like I've said before, the only reason he wouldn't be fired is because Clark doesn't want to pay him for a year to do nothing.

Why clark paid herm bud?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

"With nothing"? This season is not "nothing". Past behavior of NFL teams is not "nothing".

Like I've said before, the only reason he wouldn't be fired is because Clark doesn't want to pay him for a year to do nothing.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...=1314867809001

If Haley is fired he will be a HOT COMMODITY

**Rausch** · 12-08-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...=1314867809001

If Haley is fired he will be a HOT COMMODITY

...

Okie_Apparition · 12-08-2011, 11:38 AM

The last time the Chiefs' GM & his head coach were at odds, according to the media. Both ended up getting fired.
That's not happening again, so soon

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

How many QB's have won SB's with more than one team?

Yeah, stupid ****ing argument.

No, you give them time.

Not a decade.

I think a HC deserves 3 years and I'd say the same for a top 15 pick (unless they're a total flame-out-douche like Russel or Leaf.)

It doesn't take half a ****ing decade to know what you're looking at...

It took Cowher 15 yrs to win the SB. (Win=Officials gift)

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

No, no, no, hell no...it would not be a mistake. I think Cassel and Co. deserve a shot with a REAL coach.

Cassel

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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
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12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1655912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1266009	Dont worry haley not getting fired.
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Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	The last time the Chiefs' GM & his head coach were at odds, according to the media. Both ended up getting fired. That's not happening again, so soon
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