Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or...

[Direckshun]

Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case.

First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Robert Griffin, Baylor
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
OT Matt Kalil, USC
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception.

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina
OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
OG David DeCastro, Stanford
DT Devin Still, Penn State
DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick.

It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation.

Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples).

That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions.

Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either.

That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You seem to think finding a QB can't coexist with loading up on elite talent.

Wrong. Finding a QB absolutely CAN coexist with loading up on elite talent, even at RB.

I'm not saying it can't coexist, I'm saying it WON'T coexist. This isn't Baltimore. This is Kansas City.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Let me ask you this, would you prefer a new RT for our new QB next year, or a stud RB?

Yes, I actually would. You don't build an offense around a RT and even an elite RT isn't good enough to mask our QB deficiencies completely. Another RB the caliber of Charles absolutely is. How do I know? Because Charles' injury is usually listed as the #1 reason Cassel wasn't any good again this year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

If we can't move up and grab RG3, then I'd love Richardson. Detoxing made all the points...but a Charles/Richardson/McCluster combination would just be SICK.

Yeah, I know all those 9-win seasons with no playoff wins would certainly make me sick...

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by HMc

I'm amazed how quickly planeteers that claim to want to strip the cupboard bare and build the team properly are suddenly in love with a running back because it will give us a great 1-2 punch with JC.

**** me, how many downs do you think we're going to have to exploit this fabulous combo without a QB?

Larry Johnson was the best thing since Jim Brown when he was here because he had a bit of bulk about him and ran through people (on occasion). We got two good seasons out of him and now he's out of the league.

Even IF Richardson is the second coming and we have the best RBBC in the league, how does that help us win games in the NFL? You can count on RBs giving you about three excellent years these days before they pop a knee ligament of just become worn out.

By the time any QB we get is good enough to let us compete, thie Richardson will either be busted, or will have pissed of to NYC or Washington for crazy money.

No one is saying we want a RB over a QB smart guy. But unless they trade UP, there won't be one there worth taking.

This isn't a debate over RB VS QB. This is a debate about RB vs wtf is left on the board. And saying a RB is going to give you only three years is reeruned. Pretty sure RB's die off around age 30, not age 23.

[HMc]

If we can get someone to anchor a position in the OL (and not be crap at it) for the best part of the next decade, then I would happily spend the 12th pick on that guy.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Wrong. Finding a QB absolutely CAN coexist with loading up on elite talent, even at RB.

I'm not saying it can't coexist, I'm saying it WON'T coexist. This isn't Baltimore. This is Kansas City.



Yes, I actually would. You don't build an offense around a RT and even an elite RT isn't good enough to mask our QB deficiencies completely. Another RB the caliber of Charles absolutely is. How do I know? Because Charles' injury is usually listed as the #1 reason Cassel wasn't any good again this year.

I know what you mean, i just don't agree. I would rather the Chiefs take the BPA and as Romeo likes to say, "Let the chips fall where they may".

I, unlike you, don't feel like any running game will mask Cassel.

Cassel was a huge liability even when Charles was running hard in '10.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I know what you mean, i just don't agree. I would rather the Chiefs take the BPA and as Romeo likes to say, "Let the chips fall where they may".

I, unlike you, don't feel like any running game will mask Cassel.

Cassel was a huge liability even when Charles was running hard in '10.

"Cassel has won here. Cassel took us to the playoffs." - Romeo Crennel

[HMc]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

No one is saying we want a RB over a QB smart guy. But unless they trade UP, there won't be one there worth taking.

This isn't a debate over RB VS QB. This is a debate about RB vs wtf is left on the board. And saying a RB is going to give you only three years is reeruned. Pretty sure RB's die off around age 30, not age 23.

Did I say the only other option was taking a QB? No.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by HMc

If we can get someone to anchor a position in the OL (and not be crap at it) for the best part of the next decade, then I would happily spend the 12th pick on that guy.

Not going to disagree here and I'll admit I don't know a lot about the prospects for o line guys in this draft. But I don't want to see us take a guy who is a late first or early second guy at 12 just because an elite RB is only going to play for three years and we could get 10 years of play out of a decent o-lineman.

[HMc]

What about either of:

JONATHAN MARTIN, OT, STANFORD
RILEY REIFF, OT, IOWA

They're projected to go in the first aren't they?

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by bevischief

Richardson would help make Cassel look like a quarterback.

Please, that piece of shit cant even do a simple play action.. Other teams would just stuff the box and make Castle try and beat them.. Does that sound like a team you want to watch??

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by HMc

What about either of:

JONATHAN MARTIN, OT, STANFORD
RILEY REIFF, OT, IOWA

They're projected to go in the first aren't they?

They are.

They're both right tackle selections, however. I think Pioli wants more bang for his buck here.

[HMc]

What does that even mean?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

"Cassel has won here. Cassel took us to the playoffs." - Romeo Crennel

I think if you listen to the presser and the radio interview on 810 it makes you think that if he answered honestly, Crennel would much rather have Orton. He even said that if Orton was here there would be a QB issue.

Its scary to hear a Chief coach defend Cassel out load, but I think Crennel is all for a new QB if Pioli is willing to do it.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I think if you listen to the presser and the radio interview on 810 it makes you think that if he answered honestly, Crennel would much rather have Orton. He even said that if Orton was here there would be a QB issue.

Its scary to hear a Chief coach defend Cassel out load, but I think Crennel is all for a new QB if Pioli is willing to do it.

That, and if you want to trade him, even for a late pick, you can't destroy the guy.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by morphius

That, and if you want to trade him, even for a late pick, you can't destroy the guy.

Thats also true, although honestly for my own piece of mind, I would rather hear them rip him and promise me he is gone than be tortured for months to get a late pick.