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Old 01-14-2012, 11:42 PM  
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Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern
Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...nover-off.html

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:36 PM   #361
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No, you are absolutely using this as a direct attack on Babb. You are trying to discredit his piece simply because it has a conclusion you don't agree with. You even suggested that he wrote this piece because he hates Pioli, as if this was some kind of a vendetta.

He starts with the hypothesis that Pioli is leading a dysfunctional organization. He surrounds that hypothesis with facts and stories that he believes supports his case, and those are based on facts/stories collected from over 2 dozen sources. And then in most of those accusations, he provides a counter-response from Mark Donovan or Ray Farmer or someone else in the organization. Of course he's going to pick out quotes/statements that are most interesting. But it's not like he's twisting their words. All those quotes are fair and, my guess is, when they read this, they're not going to complain that Babb somehow misrepresented them. The quotes seem accurate and fair.

So again, I don't understand your beef. Considering the nature of the subject, this seems to be a very fair and accurate article.
I did make a comment that he hates Pioli, and that was a stupid comment. I don't know his personal feelings about anybody, so that was a lame comment to make.

The point I'm really trying to make, though, and I still stand by, is that Babb is making something out of nothing because all he had was nothing and he needed something, so he created it with whatever data and information he could dig up, just like all media does when it's got nothing.

The simple fact of the matter is if it wasn't for Matt Cassel nobody would give a shit about any of this. That situation, though, is just fueling the fire for articles like this when they really don't have anything to do with each other.
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:48 PM   #362
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Hey stupid **** Pioli you want to know the reason for those gaps, its not because of secertarity or marketing people having their windows open or the janitors or the security personal or the office people being scared of their jobs. Its dumbass GMs like you who have brought in shitty QBs like Matt Cassel. Thats the ****ing reason you worthless POS.
This.

Pioli is such a joke. He's damn lucky that Bill Billichick let him carry his jock for all those years.
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:57 PM   #363
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I did make a comment that he hates Pioli, and that was a stupid comment. I don't know his personal feelings about anybody, so that was a lame comment to make.

The point I'm really trying to make, though, and I still stand by, is that Babb is making something out of nothing because all he had was nothing and he needed something, so he created it with whatever data and information he could dig up, just like all media does when it's got nothing.

The simple fact of the matter is if it wasn't for Matt Cassel nobody would give a shit about any of this. That situation, though, is just fueling the fire for articles like this when they really don't have anything to do with each other.
Not true at all...I have two clients who won't be spending major money because of the way Pioli has treated in house people and sponsors. Now who do you think is going to pick up the tab for that lost revenue?
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:59 PM   #364
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Not true at all...I have two clients who won't be spending major money because of the way Pioli has treated in house people and sponsors.
Jeez. How can Clark stand by this guy?

Seems like he's on a power trip gone wrong.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:00 PM   #365
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Yeah, either that or Haley is a slightly unbalanced person who thinks the world is out to get him.
You'd probably think the world was out to get you too if your boss operated a football team like the mafia...
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:02 PM   #366
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the key is 'low level' free agents

Pioli has no problem going to cheaper guys in FA. He takes a long term, slow build attitude about building a team.

people just don't have the patience for it.
Because he handed the keys and a $60M check to a shit QB solely because he was one of his Patriot "boys".

He professes to want to build this team slowly, through the draft, and then makes THE biggest "win now" knee-jerk move you can make, a the most important position on the field.

People are right to not have any patience. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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So over under 2 years before Pioli is fired and goes back to NE as the GM?
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Because he handed the keys and a $60M check to a shit QB solely because he was one of his Patriot "boys".

He professes to want to build this team slowly, through the draft, and then makes THE biggest "win now" knee-jerk move you can make, a the most important position on the field.

People are right to not have any patience. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
This.

I wish a KC reporter would bring this up sometime.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:10 PM   #369
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Jeez. How can Clark stand by this guy?

Seems like he's on a power trip gone wrong.
Getting Pioli and Donovan for Clark is like scoring the hottest chick in school as your girlfriend. You are going to be blind to stuff for a while.
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Not true at all...I have two clients who won't be spending major money because of the way Pioli has treated in house people and sponsors. Now who do you think is going to pick up the tab for that lost revenue?
If your clients think they'll actually make a difference then more power to em.

The NFL brings huge benefits to business, though, so I doubt it'll do much damage, and they'll fill their spots pretty quickly. Especially if they come out and start this next season off well, no matter who our QB is.

Then your clients will be regretting having given up their piece for petty reasons and it'll cost a lot more to buy back in at that time.

I think we can all agree that we're a QB away from a pretty damn good team. We're not very confident in the management to make the move that we all want, but that's why we're posting on Chiefsplanet instead of running football teams, and I wouldn't consider it the best time to be giving up and folding your cards as a fan overall. We've got a lot of things that are going to be happening between now and next season.
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The NFL brings huge benefits to business, though, so I doubt it'll do much damage, and they'll fill their spots pretty quickly. Especially if they come out and start this next season off well, no matter who our QB is.
It absolutely matters who the QB is. We've won a few games with Cassel before - it's Fool's Gold.
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I really think what Orton did the last three games have opened the eyes of alot of people here in KC, fan wise.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:31 PM   #373
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Because he handed the keys and a $60M check to a shit QB solely because he was one of his Patriot "boys".

He professes to want to build this team slowly, through the draft, and then makes THE biggest "win now" knee-jerk move you can make, a the most important position on the field.

People are right to not have any patience. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
once again ... this entire thread is bullshit

why not just make another thread saying 'Cassel sucks ... Damnit Pioli!!! '

because that is the only truth about it.

this is about Cassel ... nothing else

since when did you become such a crying little bitch?
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once again ... this entire thread is bullshit

why not just make another thread saying 'Cassel sucks ... Damnit Pioli!!! '

because that is the only truth about it.

this is about Cassel ... nothing else

since when did you become such a crying little bitch?
It use to be Cassel and Jackson, but Jackson doesn't seem like such a bust, so now it's just Cassel.
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The Jackson pick is still an issue, because he's overpaid, and not an impact player.
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