Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...nover-off.html

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.

[Okie_Apparition]

Needing to satanize someone because you don't like them or disagree with their moves
Is...I'm at a loss for words to discribe the reerunedness

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

...I'm at a loss for words to discribe the reerunedness

Oh the irony . . .

[GordonGekko]

If this method of management produces playoff victories and championships, I am all for it, but thus far it has produced Matt Cassel. 'Nuff said.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by donkhater

See, the whole FA thing is something I don't get. The Patriots first SB run with Brady was with a LOT of low level free agents. He also was around when they went after people like Dillon, Moss, Welker, Harrison and Seau.

the key is 'low level' free agents

Pioli has no problem going to cheaper guys in FA. He takes a long term, slow build attitude about building a team.

people just don't have the patience for it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

so your basic argument is that with this much smoke there has to be a fire somewhere.

and

Pioli is at least guilty of creating a hostile work environment because he pissed off people enough for them to say something, even if that something is just speculative bullshit?

This isn't speculation. Most of what I stated above is pretty much fact.

[donkhater]

An excerpt from 'War Room' that might put some perspective on this article:

...At one point, Pioli had to do a complicated verbal tiptoe. He realized how much the Chiefs meant to the Hunts, and he had obviously been awed by Lamar Hunt, but he needed to address a few things with the organization without coming off as disrespectful. He wanted to investigate why there had been a twenty-two-year gap between division titles, 1971 to 1993, and he wanted to understand why there was a perception of a Chiefs juggernaut, as recently as the late 1990s, when in reality there had been just three playoff wins in the previous twenty years. He wondered if the problem wasn't just on the field.

"There's this living, breathing dysfunction with football organizations," he said, "and it pits lifetime employees vs. temporary employees. It's insane. You need the help of all these people to do the job well. It's not just players. It's equipment people, the grounds crew, community relations, marketing..."

[110010x]

Pioli sounds like an asshole of a manager to work with.

[gblowfish]

Dear Formerly Greatest Fans in the NFL:

Miss me yet?

Affectionately,
Carl "Delano" Peterson

P.S.:
Go Fish!

[donkhater]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Dear Formerly Greatest Fans in the NFL:

Miss me yet?

Affectionately,
Carl "Delano" Peterson

P.S.:
Go Fish!

Not even a little. Tell Gunther and Herm, hi.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by 110010x

Pioli sounds like an asshole of a manager to work with.

Hi, Mr. Haley. Sorry you were fired. Good luck in the future.

FAX

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DRU

You're just further proving my point. I chose not to include all these additional facts that you quoted in my quick example. I took the one thing you said that looked like you agreed with me and posted that as your direct quote.

That's exactly what the media does, is all I'm saying. I'm not saying that as a direct attack on Babb or anything like that. He's obviously done a good job of stirring up a lot of conversation about a particular topic.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I learned a few years ago to never completely trust anything that comes from the media. They can make things look however they want, and they do exactly that.

No, you are absolutely using this as a direct attack on Babb. You are trying to discredit his piece simply because it has a conclusion you don't agree with. You even suggested that he wrote this piece because he hates Pioli, as if this was some kind of a vendetta.

He starts with the hypothesis that Pioli is leading a dysfunctional organization. He surrounds that hypothesis with facts and stories that he believes supports his case, and those are based on facts/stories collected from over 2 dozen sources. And then in most of those accusations, he provides a counter-response from Mark Donovan or Ray Farmer or someone else in the organization. Of course he's going to pick out quotes/statements that are most interesting. But it's not like he's twisting their words. All those quotes are fair and, my guess is, when they read this, they're not going to complain that Babb somehow misrepresented them. The quotes seem accurate and fair.

So again, I don't understand your beef. Considering the nature of the subject, this seems to be a very fair and accurate article.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think anyone really believes Haley's cell phone was tampered with. The problem was that the organization drove him to that level of paranoia. I imagine that paranoia stemmed from him wondering how private information became discovered. What's the pattern? We know that the Chiefs were so invasive of his private life that they were calling in radio shows leaking out that Haley was going to a Lil Wayne concert and having pizza with his family.

Yeah, either that or Haley is a slightly unbalanced person who thinks the world is out to get him.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by donkhater

An excerpt from 'War Room' that might put some perspective on this article:

...At one point, Pioli had to do a complicated verbal tiptoe. He realized how much the Chiefs meant to the Hunts, and he had obviously been awed by Lamar Hunt, but he needed to address a few things with the organization without coming off as disrespectful. He wanted to investigate why there had been a twenty-two-year gap between division titles, 1971 to 1993, and he wanted to understand why there was a perception of a Chiefs juggernaut, as recently as the late 1990s, when in reality there had been just three playoff wins in the previous twenty years. He wondered if the problem wasn't just on the field.

"There's this living, breathing dysfunction with football organizations," he said, "and it pits lifetime employees vs. temporary employees. It's insane. You need the help of all these people to do the job well. It's not just players. It's equipment people, the grounds crew, community relations, marketing..."

Hey stupid **** Pioli you want to know the reason for those gaps, its not because of secertarity or marketing people having their windows open or the janitors or the security personal or the office people being scared of their jobs. Its dumbass GMs like you who have brought in shitty QBs like Matt Cassel. Thats the ****ing reason you worthless POS.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Hey stupid **** Pioli you want to know the reason for those gaps, its not because of secertarity or marketing people having their windows open or the janitors or the security personal or the office people being scared of their jobs. Its dumbass GMs like you who have brought in shitty QBs like Matt Cassel. Thats the ****ing reason you worthless POS.

Word

[Coach]

Wonder what Carl the janitor is up to these days.....