PFF talks Chiefs O-line

[Hammock Parties]

This is also an excellent article explaining some of their grading process.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-april-2-2012/

You guys have talked a lot about Barry Richardson dragging down the quality of the Chiefs’ line. Now that they’ve added Eric Winston, how do you think their line grades out compared to the rest of the league? – Matt Conner


Ben Stockwell: The addition of Winston immediately makes the Chiefs one of the best offensive lines in the league. In terms of an offensive line ranking, Winston not only upgrades a line that we ranked 16th in the 2011 season, it plugs their biggest weakness and also takes away one of the best players from our fifth-ranked offensive line from last season. It doesn’t solve all of their problems, but any time that you can replace arguably the worst right tackle in the league with arguably the best, well you can’t really make a bigger jump than that.

You can only really imagine where the Chiefs might be if they hadn’t made the hasty decision of cutting Jared Gaither during the middle of the year. A line of Gaither at left tackle, Winston at right tackle and shifting Branden Albert inside to his collegiate position of guard would be a fearsome group for the Chiefs’ backfield duo of Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis to run behind. As it is, they don’t have Gaither anymore, but they’re not exactly short changed.

The biggest obstacle for the Chiefs to improve in 2012 will be getting more from there interior offensive line as run blockers. Winston really helps them on the edge–not only in upgrading their pass protection, but also helping them spring more runs off-tackle–but Jon Asamoah and Ryan Lilja really need to up their game as interior run blockers. It’s just about all this line is missing now that they have made that big leap at right tackle.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are there any other UM guys we should look at?

Not really. Martin isnt a good fit

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

But what about the fact that U-M peeps are better looking and just generally superior?

Since I didn't go there, I would say patently false!

[O.city]

Are you guys blatantly ignoring me?

[Coogs]

Here is that bit on Stanzi from Poili...

“Last year, free-agency never started (until training camp),” Pioli said. “We had Matt on the roster. We had Tyler on the roster. We had Ricky, who we drafted. We didn’t draft someone high who was perceived as competition, but I’ll say this: I think Ricky is competition. Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes.

“You just don’t wave a wand and magically say, ‘There’s competition.’ We drafted a quarterback last year who I truly believe has good ability and has the potential to start in this league. I really do believe that.”

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ighlight=Pioli

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If this line would suddenly become a shadow of that 2003-2005 team, is that good enough to win even WITH Cassel? And yes, that's a sincere question.

No. No team is equipped enough to win with Cassel year in and year out. They might have a good enough team to hide his lack of talent and have an easy enough schedule to sneak into the playoffs but once you get there you will face teams with real defenses and real QB's. It just won't fly period. Every minute Cassel is a starter is a minute that is wasted of one of our good players careers.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by Blick

Win what? The division? One playoff game? A Superbowl?

I think Cassel, with the talent around him, can play like Trent Green. Green's QB ratings from 2002-2005 are 92.6, 92.6, 95.2, and 90.1. Cassel's QB rating in 2010 was 93.

It would be interesting to see how far QB play like that could take us with the defense that we have now.

Did you actually watch Trent Green? Because if you did you would know the only past Chiefs QB that Cassel compares too is a poor man's Bono.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

How can we "keep" Hudson at Center? The guy has never snapped the ball in the NFL nor did he ever start a game there in college.

He was a 3* recruit at Center in high school who blossomed into an All-American Guard in college. How many times do we have to watch the Chiefs switch players' positions around to disasterous results before we quit pining for a patchwork team?

Tamba Hali laughs at your statement and curses your mother in Liberian.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by Blick

Obviously we want a real QB, but to say you don't want or wouldn't take 27 TD's and 7 INT's is just dumb.

I would rather take 27 TD's and 14 interceptions with a QB that can actually move the ball unlike Cassel did that season with our 30th ranked passing offense.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

No. No team is equipped enough to win with Cassel year in and year out. They might have a good enough team to hide his lack of talent and have an easy enough schedule to sneak into the playoffs but once you get there you will face teams with real defenses and real QB's. It just won't fly period. Every minute Cassel is a starter is a minute that is wasted of one of our good players careers.

This, eight days a week, he gets completely exposed against the better defenses.

DB's have it made playing this guy, he takes half of the field away from himself... 'listen ya'll, dont bite on no fakes, this mfer aint shit outside twenty yards.'

[O.city]

Sauls statement is absolutely right.


We need a C. Hudson was an all american Guard.


Draft a C.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I have a strong feeling that Dallas wants DeCastro or even Richardson if he falls to #11... They could trade up 3 spots to get one of them and we could pick up a 3rd for it. (probably have to give them a 5th for value)

Hmm, I think I'd ask for more than their third and give up a fifth if it were Richardson. Otherwise I could get behind a trade like that. We could still add some talent three spots back and the third round seems to have some interesting options. If we could somehow pick up another second rounder I'd be ecstatic.

[Chief Roundup]

We had Tyler on the roster.

Tyler may be a bad name for a QB...Tyler Thigpen, Tyler Palko. Just say no to Tyler.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Cassel is a racist.

If by not looking at his 2nd option on a passing play you mean racist, then yes he is very racist.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sauls statement is absolutely right.


We need a C. Hudson was an all american Guard.


Draft a C.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Chief3188

Did you actually watch Trent Green? Because if you did you would know the only past Chiefs QB that Cassel compares too is a poor man's Bono.

thats a pretty damn good comparison... while they're 'skill sets' were much different with Bono possibly being even more of a rag-arm & smaller, but with better run around ability... its still a PERFECT comparison in terms of what they accomplished.