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Old 07-15-2012, 05:24 PM   #1
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Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.
I'm not saying One GM is better then the other but draft position is king when it comes to a rebuild like the Chiefs and Lions(They've been rebuilding forever.) have been going through. One or two spots toward the top of the draft can make a huge difference. We had no chance at Stafford or any other legit QB prospect where we've picked at the top of the draft.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:26 PM   #2
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I'm not saying One GM is better then the other but draft position is king when it comes to a rebuild like the Chiefs and Lions(They've been rebuilding forever.) have been going through. One or two spots toward the top of the draft can make a huge difference. We had no chance at Stafford or any other legit QB prospect where we've picked at the top of the draft.
Yeah, and Washington had no chance at RGIII from where they picked.

No more excuses.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:28 PM   #3
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Oh, and this board went out of their way to claim this asshole as the greatest GM in professional sports, so a playoff appearance in Year Four is letting him off the hook.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:32 PM   #4
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Yeah, and Washington had no chance at RGIII from where they picked.

No more excuses.
It's not an excuse just reality.

Do you think we could have traded up for Stafford? I don't.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:34 PM   #5
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It's not an excuse just reality.

Do you think we could have traded up for Stafford? I don't.
Did you forget that you said "or any other legit QB prospect", or was it better for your argument not to mention it again?

It is an excuse.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:37 PM   #6
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Did you forget that you said "or any other legit QB prospect", or was it better for your argument not to mention it again?

It is an excuse.
Who did we have a chance at?

Yeah you're right though draft position doesn't really matter.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:38 PM   #7
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Who did we have a chance at?

Yeah you're right though draft position doesn't really matter.
We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.
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We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.
Yeah we could have went Ditka I guess.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:35 PM   #9
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Yeah, and Washington had no chance at RGIII from where they picked.

No more excuses.
It kills me that a great % of the fanbase doesn't understand to this day that you have to at least try to draft a FQB.

And no, Clark won't fire Pioli after a(nother) losing, non playoff season.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:35 PM   #10
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I'm not saying One GM is better then the other but draft position is king when it comes to a rebuild like the Chiefs and Lions(They've been rebuilding forever.) have been going through. One or two spots toward the top of the draft can make a huge difference. We had no chance at Stafford or any other legit QB prospect where we've picked at the top of the draft.
The fact is, it was reported that the Lions made an offer to the Patriots for Matt Cassel.

Pioli outbid them.

If Pioli, who should have had a better idea of what Matt Cassel really was, stayed away from that trade, and the Lions got Cassel, it's entirely possible that the Chiefs could have traded up to the Lions spot in that draft for Stafford.

So, at the end of the day, there is no excuse.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:42 PM   #11
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The fact is, it was reported that the Lions made an offer to the Patriots for Matt Cassel.

Pioli outbid them.

If Pioli, who should have had a better idea of what Matt Cassel really was, stayed away from that trade, and the Lions got Cassel, it's entirely possible that the Chiefs could have traded up to the Lions spot in that draft for Stafford.

So, at the end of the day, there is no excuse.
I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:01 PM   #12
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I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.
Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.
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Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.
We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?
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We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?
I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.
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