2013 Chiefs QBOTF Watch

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I realized after last year that I am not going to keep an eye on any of our potential QBOTF this year until after the season because:

1. No one knows where we will be drafting

2. No one knows who will and will not declare

3. No one knows how many people in front of us will need a QBOTF

4. The last time we drafted a QB in round 1 was 1983, so I don't have faith that we suddenly will draft one.

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I tend to agree.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by milkman

I tend to agree.

Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Sadly, however, I believe it will be Landry Jones.

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Landry Jones is a really good quarterback. I don't get the dislike for him here.

But then, this is the same board who wanted to get fisted by a toilet brush if we picked Brian Orakpo and who thought that Jimmy Clausen should have been the Chiefs QBOTF.

Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set. Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Landry Jones has enough of a skill set, but has the heart of the cowardly lion. He's a guy proficient enough to be an NFL QB, but not a guy I want to be leading my team in a 2 minute drill or to inspire my team to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

Heart of a cowardly lion? The guy has won three bowl games, including a BCS, a conference championship and owns nearly every Sooner passing record.

Clausen was Landry Jones but with a better skill set.

Holy hell...did you really just type that? Clausen's skill set wasn't good. It's why I hated the guy.

Nobody said Clausen was the QBOTF, just that to get a QBOTF, you have to take a chance at one.

You don't take a chance. You get the guy who you know fits the system and can take the team to that next level. Jones' skill set and physical attributes are damn near ideal for the offense that Daboll runs and he's not a Cassel clone. This guy has been pimped as a legit first rounder for two years now. Cassel was a seventh round pick for a reason. Jones has superb mechanics, a nice arm, is athletic, etc.

You may not like him because you think he's a "cowardly lion" (which I have no idea what that means, so you'll have to extrapolate a bit on that concept for me), but the guy has all the tools you look for in a NFL QB.

Pioli has built a very good team off being "safe." To his credit, I think he's built a tremendous team off of good value picks and sure bets. But we're moving beyond that. The foundation is set, it's time to start taking a few gambles.

When you gamble, more often than not, you lose. It's why they can continue to build billion dollar hotels in the middle of the Nevada desert. You don't take a guy at a position just to take the position. How would you like Jimmy Clausen as your current Chiefs QB? There were a shit ton of idiots around here that were perfectly happy taking that gamble.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

I'd like to believe you. I also believe that Pioli has a few achilles heels. 1) He is stubborn about proving he's right; 2) he is overly loyal to people he likes.

I think the defense and running game will make Cassel look better than he is, which is just enough for Pioli to use propaganda to tell the fans he's the answer.

I think Pioli's history suggests that he'll be overly loyal to Cassel and stubbornly prove that the "Patriot Way" applies to QBs, which is that you continually draft non-first rounders every year. In other words, I'm preparing myself for the disappointment that Pioli will stick with Cassel next year and draft a QB in the 3rd round.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

I actually almost believe this is it. This is the year we draft a freakin QB.

What other position would we honestly draft? I can't think of a single one outside of ILB. And even then, talk about a goddamn reach on position value.

With 5 guys available and the starters in solid position, I don't see any way Pioli doesn't finally understand how dire this situation is in KC.

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They are going to draft Manti Te'o in the first as he'll be considered a perfect player for the mike backer in a 34 defense, which, in all honesty, he is. In fact, there isn't really another 34 mike backer of that level in the entire draft in 2013. He will be the "safe" pick in the first round.

And I think everyone around here should be happy with that selection for the Chiefs as no one seems to like Belcher on this board. (Which is tragic as Jovan has markedly improved the past two seasons and, IMO, is one of the better/unheralded 3/4 mike backers in the NFL. Guy absolutely blows up guards and hits like a freight train.)

So, I would assume that if someone like, say, Geno Smith is sitting there and they pick a mike backer, this board should be ecstatic.

Mike Backers are nice to have, but they don't win you championships.

Nobody on this board will be happy with that pick when we have a tremendous gap at the position that is crucial toward winning a championship.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. I don't think that's relevant because we're looking at a range of options, with the most realistic being that we'll probably not draft in the top 10 and likely draft in the top 25

2. There are a lot of good QBs who have to declare. Barkley, Landry Jones, Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith, and the door is open for any other QB to slide up. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, Logan Thomas, or Tajh Boyd declare as well. I think it's safe to say there will be at least 5 true first round calibre QBs in the draft, whereas I thought last year there were only 3 (and Tannehill, I still believe, would have been low first in any other draft class).

3. There is more than enough that leads us to believe there will be a dramatically reduced need for a QB in the NFL next year.

4. Yes, I agree. I don't think we'll draft a QB, but we can at least become informed about how idiotic it would be NOT to draft a QB. No matter how well Cassel does this season.

1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected" to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

1. If we draft 18-25 that means Cassel had a decent season, at least decent enough to justify not drafting his replacement in the first round.

2. The first 4 QBs you mentioned do all have to declare, but I don't see the others declaring. I don't see why they would when they could come back next season and be a higher pick. I could be wrong, but I remember how deep last year's QB class was "projected) to be, until it suddenly wasn't. I won't count my chickens before they hatch outside of the one who have to declare.

3. We will see. Last year 3 QBs went in the top 10, no reason to think that can't happen this year as injuries, suck, retirement etc..... play a role in next year's draft. I could see the Big 4 being gone in the Top 10-15 meaning if we finish outside of that range we could miss out again. Pioli may or may not trade up, we will see.

4. We have been knowing this for how long now? I just hope the front office notices it.

1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

I will wait and see on that one. What if Palmer bombs? How about Ponder? Gabbert? Freeman? Sanchez? Buffalo could be looking at QB as could AZ as could Houston if Schaub gets injured again. Alex Smith could have a bad season and could force SF to look at a QB. Anything can happen and to believe there is more stability at the QB position this year than last is a stretch.