Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

so what makes you think Bowe doesnt have the same mindset as Carr



So the excuse next season will be "Oh not Pioli's fault Bowe wanted to leave anyway!"

if Pioli wanted Carr to remain a KC Chief, it could have happened.
money talks bullshit walks.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

if Pioli wanted Carr to remain a KC Chief, it could have happened.
money talks bullshit walks.

so youre saying its Pioli's fault

and anyone else that leaves next offseason is also Pioli's fault

I am glad we can agree on the one constant involved here.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

so youre saying its Pioli's fault

and anyone else that leaves next offseason is also Pioli's fault

I am glad we can agree on the one constant involved here.

I agree with that. I also believe that the trash that re-signs is Pioli's fault. Any way you look at it it's Pioli's fault.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

so youre saying its Pioli's fault

and anyone else that leaves next offseason is also Pioli's fault

I am glad we can agree on the one constant involved here.

i'm saying Pioli signed Routt early on so Carr could leave and he could save Clark some money, and **** the fans.

[FlaChief58]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i'm saying Pioli signed Routt early on so Carr could leave and he could save Clark some money, and **** the fans.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

so youre saying its Pioli's fault

and anyone else that leaves next offseason is also Pioli's fault

I am glad we can agree on the one constant involved here.

Honestly, I think that's the point that Babb has been trying to make, Mr. mcaj22.

Pioli was hired to "get things right". He was not hired to screw around with bad decisions on HCs or make head-scratching, first-round draft picks.

In return for his enormous salary, free rein, and all the accoutrement associated with the position of GM, comes responsibility. And it isn't the type of responsibility you can switch on or off. Or, the kind you can selectively apply depending on the situation or the particular player or the particular deal.

He is ultimately responsible for every damn thing that happens in this organization ... from the candy wrappers in the stairwell to the end-of-season records.

So, yes. Carr's leaving rests on Pioli's shoulders to the extent that, he made no effort to retain him ... so far as we know. And, in the process, broke up a cornerback tandem which was, arguably, developing into one of the best in the league.

FAX

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by FAX

Honestly, I think that's the point that Babb has been trying to make, Mr. mcaj22.

Pioli was hired to "get things right". He was not hired to screw around with bad decisions on HCs or make head-scratching, first-round draft picks.

In return for his enormous salary, free rein, and all the accoutrement associated with the position of GM, comes responsibility. And it isn't the type of responsibility you can switch on or off. Or, the kind you can selectively apply depending on the situation or the particular player or the particular deal.

He is ultimately responsible for every damn thing that happens in this organization ... from the candy wrappers in the stairwell to the end-of-season records.

So, yes. Carr's leaving rests on Pioli's shoulders to the extent that, he made no effort to retain him ... so far as we know. And, in the process, broke up a cornerback tandem which was, arguably, developing into one of the best in the league.

FAX

well Pioli has 1 get out of jail free card this offseason (franchise) tag for essentially 3 guys: Dorsey, Albert, Bowe

2 of them are guaranteed to walk. And really there is no excuse for that.

I know people dont care about Dorsey, but lets be honest. There is nothing behind Dorsey thats of any talent. And do you really want Dorsey to walk and opening the chance that Pioli might draft his REPLACEMENT IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT. Because this place will explode if we take another d-lineman in the first round. And that very well be the case.

But yea. Bowe, Albert, Dorsey > Baldwin, Stephenson, whoever the **** would play for Dorsey lets just say Poe.

There is a gigantic backwards step and talent drop off of "Pioli's picks (guys)" as replacements to Herms.

It's an awful theory to consider. And Pioli has done a terrible job at it in four years

[FAX]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

well Pioli has 1 get out of jail free card this offseason (franchise) tag for essentially 3 guys: Dorsey, Albert, Bowe

2 of them are guaranteed to walk. And really there is no excuse for that.

I know people dont care about Dorsey, but lets be honest. There is nothing behind Dorsey thats of any talent. And do you really want Dorsey to walk and opening the chance that Pioli might draft his REPLACEMENT IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT. Because this place will explode if we take another d-lineman in the first round. And that very well be the case.

But yea. Bowe, Albert, Dorsey > Baldwin, Stephenson, whoever the **** would play for Dorsey lets just say Poe.

There is a gigantic backwards step and talent drop off of "Pioli's picks (guys)" as replacements to Herms.

It's an awful theory to consider. And Pioli has done a terrible job at it in four years

A lot of good points ...

For my part, it isn't that I don't care about Dorsey, it's that I think he's being asked to do something incompatible with his natural ability and instincts. Even so, you're right about the dropoff behind him.

But, when you step back and examine this overall situation ... and not just focus on the individual players ... it begins to look something like this; players don't want to be here.

Gonzo didn't want to be here. Carr didn't want to be here. Bowe doesn't want to be here. DJ almost quit the game a couple years back. On and on ...

That, my friend, is serious. Players aren't all the dumb jocks people might make them out to be. They understand the playbook of life as well as anyone their age. And they must realize that this organization is broken. Have any of these guys experienced the kind of extreme paranoia and secrecy surrounding this team? Or, have they ever been exposed to this degree of utter dysfunction? I doubt it.

When you have a team that is the home of last resort for NFL players, you have no reason to be optimistic about anything.

FAX

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by FAX

But, when you step back and examine this overall situation ... and not just focus on the individual players ... it begins to look something like this; players don't want to be here.

FAX

Even Reshard Langford talked about KC being poorly run compared to the Lions.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A contract was never offered, so he never had an opportunity to choose.

Clark Hunt is cheap. Don't fool yourself.

Who said Pioli never offered him a contract?

Iirc it was in the media that they had a standing offer for Carr that was around 7 million per year.

Maybe you meant we didn't offer to match the Dallas offer.

I'm not gonna go digging for a link though, as I'm not 100% but I do remember it being discussed.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs should have given up their entire 2012 draft and next year's number one for RGIII.

If that had happened, would the Chiefs currently be 0-2 and outscored a billion to one?

Would anyone miss Poe, Allen, Stephanson, Menzie, Wylie or Hemingway?

That wouldn't have even came close to Washingtons offer.

They gave up #6 and #38 as well as the next two first rounders and change.

Even if we offered the whole 2012 draft AND 2013 draft...Washingtons offer was still worth more.

FTR both Pioli AND RAC said at the scouting combine that RG3 is the guy you "go up and get"

Pioli even said he would let RG3 marry his daughter.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Who said Pioli never offered him a contract?

Iirc it was in the media that they had a standing offer for Carr that was around 7 million per year.

Maybe you meant we didn't offer to match the Dallas offer.

If true, $7 million is an insult.

Originally Posted by BossChief

They gave up #6 and #38 as well as the next two first rounders and change.

Even if we offered the whole 2012 draft AND 2013 draft...Washingtons offer was still worth more.

Fine, then throw in the 2014 first rounder. I don't care to debate value. The point is that Pioli should have given up the ****ing farm to draft RGIII.

I couldn't care less about some "mythical" first round lineman that would somehow save the day.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

if Pioli wanted Carr to remain a KC Chief, it could have happened.
money talks bullshit walks.

Before he was tendered .... yes, I agree.

By the end of the season the Cowboys needed a CB. We should have had him re-signed long before that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Before he was tendered .... yes, I agree.

By the end of the season the Cowboys needed a CB. We should have had him re-signed long before that.

Tendered? Wha?

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tendered? Wha?

Carr was tendered for a first round pick just before training camp last season. When Pioli did this, negociations were off until after the season. A team could have traded for Carr but would have had to give a first round pick. He never should have been tendered. He should have gotten a contract.

Right now Belcher has a 2nd round tender . He will probably walk too.

A tender is sort of like a mini tag....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Carr was tendered for a first round pick just before training camp last season. When Pioli did this, negociations were off until after the season.

Bullshit.

And it's spelled negotiations. This is second time I've seen you misspell the word.

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

Originally Posted by BlackBob

A team could have traded for Carr but would have had to give a first round pick. He never should have been tendered. He should have gotten a contract.

The reason he was tendered was so that he wouldn't go anywhere and the Chiefs could continue to negotiate. He was absolutely right to give him the First Round Tender, otherwise, he could have walked without ANY compensation.

JFC.

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Right now Belcher has a 2nd round tender . He will probably walk too.

Good. He ****ing sucks ass. It's awesome that the Chiefs continue to pass on ILBer's. Daryl Washington, anyone?

Originally Posted by BlackBob

A tender is sort of like a mini tag....

No, it's not.