Clark caught between a rock and a hard place

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

still waiting for any proof

Scott Pioli micromanages

• Kent Babb has detailed plenty of stories surrounding this. This wasn't just a janitor. This was a professional report that used a ton of interviews and sources to put the picture together. If Pioli is upset about it, then maybe the ****er should have had the guts to actually entertain Babb's request for comment. Even Clark Hunt and Mark Donovan had the balls to discuss it.
• Bob Gretz wrote in a follow-up that the micromanagement was coming all the way from Texas. He didn't specify what, but it sure sounded like it was all the way down to lineup changes and game planning
• When was the last time you heard a player go off-script? The comment was made that when Eric Berry's class did their first interviews, they were already talking like robots.
• There was buzz at the combine that everybody was well aware of the Chiefs' toxic environment
• Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel made several public comments about wanting QB competition. Not a backup. Competition. He clearly liked Orton, he raved about Peyton Manning, and he said Cassel was not guaranteed a starting job. The FIRST person to say Cassel was the clear starter was Scott Pioli, not Romeo. Fast forward to 2012. Romeo and Daboll design an offense that runs the ball 80% of the time while only having Cassel throw dump-off passes. I don't know how much clearer it could be that Romeo and Daboll have no confidence in the QB.
• Dick Haley told Todd Haley he couldn't win with Cassel as a QB. You'd have to think Todd would at least consider his father's advice. There are reports from yet another insider who suggests that Charlie Weis didn't like Cassel either. So you have 4 coaches who have shown clearly that they did not like the QB, and yet he continues to start and for 4 years has no competition.
• What offense and defense are we running? How many coaches have we hired during that time frame? Scott Pioli has hired 2 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and 2 head coaches. All 3 offensive coordinators ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. All our defensive coordinators run 2-gap 3-4. Haley's experience was in a Whisenhunt offense and he hired Clancy Pendergast, whose experience is in a 1-gap defense
• Oh hey, let's not forget that Charlie Weis screamed up and down that he wanted Jimmy Clausen. The Chiefs passed up on him twice. Regardless of how good Clausen was, this is yet another experienced coach who hated our QB yet was not allowed to get rid of him.
• Connect the dots to the Pendergast comment. Haley threw a shit fit when Tyson Jackson was drafted. It sure seemed from day 1 that Haley was never allowed to run the offense or defense he wanted to because it wasn't exactly what Pioli wanted.
• Babb alleges in a separate report that Pioli dictated roster decisions to Pioli

Scott Pioli is a bully to the media

• Fact: Scott Pioli locked out the media - This is indisputable. Mark Donovan confirmed this in Arrowhead Anxiety. It involved shutting media guys out, closing the shades in offices, and practices. And we feel it as fans. There aren't stories written about our players. Our players talk in scripts rather than talking candidly.
• Fact: Scott Pioli pays way too much attention to what the media says about him and his Chiefs - Talk to anyone who has ever written for the Chiefs, whether that's the Kansas City Star or just some small time blog. Scott Pioli will contact you if he doesn't like the kind of store you write.

I honestly don't know what more proof you want.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Scott Pioli micromanages

• Kent Babb has detailed plenty of stories surrounding this. This wasn't just a janitor. This was a professional report that used a ton of interviews and sources to put the picture together. If Pioli is upset about it, then maybe the ****er should have had the guts to actually entertain Babb's request for comment. Even Clark Hunt and Mark Donovan had the balls to discuss it.
• Bob Gretz wrote in a follow-up that the micromanagement was coming all the way from Texas. He didn't specify what, but it sure sounded like it was all the way down to lineup changes and game planning
• When was the last time you heard a player go off-script? The comment was made that when Eric Berry's class did their first interviews, they were already talking like robots.
• There was buzz at the combine that everybody was well aware of the Chiefs' toxic environment
• Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel made several public comments about wanting QB competition. Not a backup. Competition. He clearly liked Orton, he raved about Peyton Manning, and he said Cassel was not guaranteed a starting job. The FIRST person to say Cassel was the clear starter was Scott Pioli, not Romeo. Fast forward to 2012. Romeo and Daboll design an offense that runs the ball 80% of the time while only having Cassel throw dump-off passes. I don't know how much clearer it could be that Romeo and Daboll have no confidence in the QB.
• Dick Haley told Todd Haley he couldn't win with Cassel as a QB. You'd have to think Todd would at least consider his father's advice. There are reports from yet another insider who suggests that Charlie Weis didn't like Cassel either. So you have 4 coaches who have shown clearly that they did not like the QB, and yet he continues to start and for 4 years has no competition.
• What offense and defense are we running? How many coaches have we hired during that time frame? Scott Pioli has hired 2 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and 2 head coaches. All 3 offensive coordinators ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. All our defensive coordinators run 2-gap 3-4. Haley's experience was in a Whisenhunt offense and he hired Clancy Pendergast, whose experience is in a 1-gap defense
• Oh hey, let's not forget that Charlie Weis screamed up and down that he wanted Jimmy Clausen. The Chiefs passed up on him twice. Regardless of how good Clausen was, this is yet another experienced coach who hated our QB yet was not allowed to get rid of him.
• Connect the dots to the Pendergast comment. Haley threw a shit fit when Tyson Jackson was drafted. It sure seemed from day 1 that Haley was never allowed to run the offense or defense he wanted to because it wasn't exactly what Pioli wanted.
• Babb alleges in a separate report that Pioli dictated roster decisions to Pioli

Scott Pioli is a bully to the media

• Fact: Scott Pioli locked out the media - This is indisputable. Mark Donovan confirmed this in Arrowhead Anxiety. It involved shutting media guys out, closing the shades in offices, and practices. And we feel it as fans. There aren't stories written about our players. Our players talk in scripts rather than talking candidly.
• Fact: Scott Pioli pays way too much attention to what the media says about him and his Chiefs - Talk to anyone who has ever written for the Chiefs, whether that's the Kansas City Star or just some small time blog. Scott Pioli will contact you if he doesn't like the kind of store you write.

I honestly don't know what more proof you want.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Scott Pioli micromanages

• Kent Babb has detailed plenty of stories surrounding this. This wasn't just a janitor. This was a professional report that used a ton of interviews and sources to put the picture together. If Pioli is upset about it, then maybe the ****er should have had the guts to actually entertain Babb's request for comment. Even Clark Hunt and Mark Donovan had the balls to discuss it.

this was about the office and gum wrapper-gate. I could give a **** whether Pioli 'kicks ass' in the offices and makes a secretary cry.

hell, i've done the same thing myself.

Bob Gretz wrote in a follow-up that the micromanagement was coming all the way from Texas. He didn't specify what, but it sure sounded like it was all the way down to lineup changes and game planning

all the way from Texas? Pioli isn't from Texas ... so Clark Hunt was involved?

• When was the last time you heard a player go off-script? The comment was made that when Eric Berry's class did their first interviews, they were already talking like robots

Plenty of teams keep the players quotes on lockdown ... means nothing. Would rather have a raving lunatic like the Jets?

• There was buzz at the combine that everybody was well aware of the Chiefs' toxic environment

• More Wrapper-gate ... who gives a shit

• Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel made several public comments about wanting QB competition. Not a backup. Competition. He clearly liked Orton, he raved about Peyton Manning, and he said Cassel was not guaranteed a starting job. The FIRST person to say Cassel was the clear starter was Scott Pioli, not Romeo. Fast forward to 2012. Romeo and Daboll design an offense that runs the ball 80% of the time while only having Cassel throw dump-off passes. I don't know how much clearer it could be that Romeo and Daboll have no confidence in the QB.

  QB situation has definitely been screwed up. I've wonders myself whether Pioli has purposely avoided bringing anyone in that could compete with Cassel to protect him.

Dick Haley told Todd Haley he couldn't win with Cassel as a QB. You'd have to think Todd would at least consider his father's advice. There are reports from yet another insider who suggests that Charlie Weis didn't like Cassel either. So you have 4 coaches who have shown clearly that they did not like the QB, and yet he continues to start and for 4 years has no competition.

• **** that insane bastard Todd Haley. Did Pioli bug Haley's father's phone too?

• What offense and defense are we running? How many coaches have we hired during that time frame? Scott Pioli has hired 2 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and 2 head coaches. All 3 offensive coordinators ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. All our defensive coordinators run 2-gap 3-4. Haley's experience was in a Whisenhunt offense and he hired Clancy Pendergast, whose experience is in a 1-gap defense

• Pioli definitely seems to want to run a specific style of football

• Oh hey, let's not forget that Charlie Weis screamed up and down that he wanted Jimmy Clausen. The Chiefs passed up on him twice. Regardless of how good Clausen was, this is yet another experienced coach who hated our QB yet was not allowed to get rid of him.

  exeraggation much? We heard a rumor that Weis said he wanted to draft Clausen in the War Room. We have no idea whether that's true and we sure as hell don't know that he 'screamed up and down' about anything. Clausen turned out to pretty much suck anyway.

• Connect the dots to the Pendergast comment. Haley threw a shit fit when Tyson Jackson was drafted. It sure seemed from day 1 that Haley was never allowed to run the offense or defense he wanted to because it wasn't exactly what Pioli wanted.

  speculative bullshit ... you have no idea whether any of that's true. But even if it was, LOTS of head coaches get pissed because they 'aren't allowed to buy the groceries' or whatever the hell Parcells used to say.

• Babb alleges in a separate report that Pioli dictated roster decisions to Pioli

  Babb said that 'HE KNEW' it happened under Haley but that he 'wondered' whether it was happening under Crennel. So you tell me, how could he know under Haley but not Crennel UNLESS HALEY WAS THE SOURCE? Forgive me if i don't consider that crazy,lying bastard Haley a reliable source.

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Scott Pioli is a bully to the media

• Fact: Scott Pioli locked out the media - This is indisputable. Mark Donovan confirmed this in Arrowhead Anxiety. It involved shutting media guys out, closing the shades in offices, and practices. And we feel it as fans. There aren't stories written about our players. Our players talk in scripts rather than talking candidly.
• Fact: Scott Pioli pays way too much attention to what the media says about him and his Chiefs - Talk to anyone who has ever written for the Chiefs, whether that's the Kansas City Star or just some small time blog. Scott Pioli will contact you if he doesn't like the kind of store you write.

I honestly don't know what more proof you want.

blah,blah,blah ... **** the media. Don't give a shit whether they are pissed or not.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

this was about the office and gum wrapper-gate. I could give a **** whether Pioli 'kicks ass' in the offices and makes a secretary cry.

I'm glad you are so narrow-minded that you think this was about a gum wrapper. This is about gestapo tactics. This is about micromanaging who employees have lunch with, not allowing access into certain stairwells, egotistically yelling at people who call you by your last name. These are stories about coaches being micromanaged all the way down to who HAS to start at QB. These are stories about a toxic culture and there have been no defenders of what the Chiefs are doing except for top level management. You are delusional if you think this is anything close to normal.

all the way from Texas? Pioli isn't from Texas ... so Clark Hunt was involved?

That is the implication, yes.

Plenty of teams keep the players quotes on lockdown ... means nothing. Would rather have a raving lunatic like the Jets?

There is no team as robotic as the Chiefs. Not even the Patriots.

More Wrapper-gate ... who gives a shit

When the NFL's best scouts and personnel guys who could one day are all gossiping about how dysfunctional your organization is, don't you think that potential future scouts, coaches, and players are hearing this and steer away from Arrowhead?

QB situation has definitely been screwed up. I've wonders myself whether Pioli has purposed avoided bringing anyone in that could compete with Cassel to protect him.

It is brutally obvious. And it's not just about not making any real attempt to bring in Clausen for Weis or Orton for Romeo. It's about Romeo/Daboll designing an offense that seems almost rebellious in nature -- as if they hate that they have to play the QB, so they're just going to not let him do anything. Isn't it weird that after a full game of Cassel dump-off screens, Romeo immediately dials up 3 of 4 pass plays for Brady that are downfield?

**** that insane bastard Todd Haley. Did Pioli bug Haley's father's phone too?

Whatever you think of Todd Haley, Dick Haley is a well respected personnel guy with tremendous experience. And he was right about Cassel. So **** the guy who got the decision wrong (Pioli), not the guy who said it was wrong.

Pioli definitely seems to want to run a specific style of football

He has shown zero ability to move outside of that box. Because of that, there is simply no way he can hire anyone outside of the tree.

exeraggation much? We heard a rumor that Weis said he wanted to draft Clausen in the War Room. We have no idea whether that's true and we sure as hell don't know that he 'screamed up and down' about anything. Clausen turned out to pretty much suck anyway.

Oh you mean the many reports indicating that Weis glowed about him? Or the fact that Weis was going to run Clausen's workout, but decided it was a conflict of interest? Or the fact that Clausen eventually fell into a manageable position nobody anticipated? It doesn't matter if he sucks or not. It's a classic example of our coaches showing no faith in Cassel, and Pioli doing NOTHING in 4 years to create even marginal competition for Cassel. Pretty telling that the only QB competition ever brought in was a guy who was there to replace Cassel when he was out on IR.

speculative bullshit ... you have no idea whether any of that's true. But even if it was, LOTS of head coaches get pissed because they 'aren't allowed to buy the groceries' or whatever the hell Parcells used to say.

This offense and defense are by the letter what Pioli wanted. You can try to excuse it any way you want to. But Pioli got every single thing his way. There is zero evidence that the coaches ever won any battle against Pioli.

Babb said that 'HE KNEW' it happened under Haley but that he 'wondered' whether it was happening under Crennel. So you tell me, how could he know under Haley but not Crennel UNLESS HALEY WAS THE SOURCE? Forgive me if i don't consider that crazy,lying bastard Haley a reliable source.

You'd have to have your head in the sand not to read into Romeo's consistent comments about the QB position, his then neutering of the QB role in the offense, and his shaky defensiveness of Cassel in press conferences, the refusal to throw downfield on any situation that's 3rd and 5+.

blah,blah,blah ... **** the media. Don't give a shit whether they are pissed or not.

That's funny. Because last time I checked, one of the greatest advantages about playing in Kansas City was Arrowhead Stadium. Even during a winning season, nobody cared about the team. We don't have fluff pieces about players. We don't have TV shows with fun characters like Jared Allen. We root for this team, but we don't connect with any of the players.

This media blackout is ****ing ridiculous. And if Clark was smart, he'd realize he's losing a shitload of money that would be better spent promoting the team instead of shutting the fans out.