Offense/Defense (Philosophy based)

[Sorter]

We've done several "If you were the GM/HC etc." threads here. However, I'm curious to see what kind of base offensive or defensive philosophies you would choose to try and design the Chiefs with. I know a majority will and should chose to utilize a 1-ga principle defensively but am curious as to the other aspects.

Personally, I would hire coaches to install a 1-gap Phillips based 3-4. While I love the fire-zone philosophies, I think that they require even more athletic players than we have currently to run at an elite level constantly and would prefer man-coverage rather than zone on downs/scenarios that dictate a pass. In the future, I would love to be able to incorporate these concepts once personnel has been adjusted accordingly.

Offensively, it would depend on the QB we draft. If Barkley, I'm hiring an OC who is based in the WCO and a HC that understands (generally) those philosophies, even if it is a defensive minded coach. Additionally, I would want him to emphasize YAC and back shoulder throws consistently.

If Smith or Wilson, I would likely hire someone who continues with a zone-based blocking system (as I feel it fits our smaller, athletic OL better and our backs in Charles/Cyrus better in a 1-cut philosophy). The OC would also utilize PA consistently (via bootlegs off of our stretch play) and would encourage a deeper approach in terms of route concepts, specifically attacking the seams off of motion with our WRs/TEs and and the corners of the field (corners/deep outs, back shoulder throws).


I'm curious to see what you all would like to have as there are several talented minds here, IMO.

[cyborgtable]

Originally Posted by Laz

I don't know about that

Hali,Poe,Powe,Houston

Derrick Johnson at MLB

sort of like the Baltimore Ravens D ... 2 big,fat guys to stuff the run and protect the MLB. Hali and Houston going after the Passer.

Not sure Belcher would have a place but adding to 2 Linebackers in one offseason is not that difficult to do.

Berry playing an in-the-box safety

Kendrick Lewis is still not good enough, so we need a complete free safety imo.

Wasn't Hali drafted to play d-line. I didn't pay much attention to the chiefs then, how was he at it?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Laz

disagree

the main weapon of a DLineman is getting a good first step and in a 2-gap system that is neutralized because a 3-4 Dlineman HAS to engage the Olinemand first to protect the linebackers.

A 3-4,2-gap Dlineman is regulated to relying on handfighting,leverage and power to attack and that's only after stopping the Oline's momentum and reading the play.

How 3-4, 2-gaps guys are graded is by how few Olineman they allow through to the second level. Completely different skills used.

shedding to attacks is way harder than penetration to attack

it's also makes the blocking assignments for the Oline easier because the Olineman don't have to worry about quick feet ... just leverage,hands and power. Normally that blocking ease is supposed to be offset by zone blitzes but when you have a DC that doesn't like to blitz ...

Gibbs sure called a few more blitzes Mon than RAC normally did.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by cyborgtable

Wasn't Hali drafted to play d-line. I didn't pay much attention to the chiefs then, how was he at it?

He was decent.

He's an All-World 3-4 OLB.

He'd probably be even better in a 1-gap, like old-school LT...

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Laz

I don't know about that

Hali,Poe,Powe,Houston

Derrick Johnson at MLB

sort of like the Baltimore Ravens D ... 2 big,fat guys to stuff the run and protect the MLB. Hali and Houston going after the Passer.

Not sure Belcher would have a place but adding to 2 Linebackers in one offseason is not that difficult to do.

Berry playing an in-the-box safety

Kendrick Lewis is still not good enough, so we need a complete free safety imo.

Meh, I'd rather keep Hali and Houston standing, rotate Poe and Powe, and go with a hybrid 1 gap.

Hell, you could conceiveably do both...have a 4-3 package, especially for redzone/goalline situations

[Woodchuck]

Houston sucked as a DE at UGA. When they switched to the 3-4, he was immediately bad ass. I would never move him. I would even play him at OLB in the 4-3.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I truly hate the 3-4.

Meh. Even with a 4-3 and two top picks who were supposed to be GOD'S at it, it would probably still suck monkey balls.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

I don't know about that

Hali,Poe,Powe,Houston

Derrick Johnson at MLB

sort of like the Baltimore Ravens D ... 2 big,fat guys to stuff the run and protect the MLB. Hali and Houston going after the Passer.

Not sure Belcher would have a place but adding to 2 Linebackers in one offseason is not that difficult to do.

Berry playing an in-the-box safety

Kendrick Lewis is still not good enough, so we need a complete free safety imo.

Requires a totally different skill set.

You have to LBs who are versatile at stopping both the run and pass, including stud, smart MLB. You have to have 4 defensive linemen who are very, very good at both stopping the run, but also having the pass rush moves to be in passing situations. Our DEs can handle 3-4 pass rush, but will they succeed in a 4-3 where they will have their hands on the ground every play? Will they succeed when they are likely asked to add weight in order to be more effective in the trenches? Can they be consistent run stoppers when on run situations, they will be asked to be win a lot of battles in the trenches?

Can we find DTs who are big but also have the explosion and arsenal of pass rush moves to get to the QB? I don't believe that we have any of these things. Moving to a 4-3 is going to be an ordeal. We have enough pieces for a 3-4. The only place I believe we'll be light in a 1-gap 3-4 is fighting the right DE, which is not hard to find.