Offense/Defense (Philosophy based)

[Sorter]

We've done several "If you were the GM/HC etc." threads here. However, I'm curious to see what kind of base offensive or defensive philosophies you would choose to try and design the Chiefs with. I know a majority will and should chose to utilize a 1-ga principle defensively but am curious as to the other aspects.

Personally, I would hire coaches to install a 1-gap Phillips based 3-4. While I love the fire-zone philosophies, I think that they require even more athletic players than we have currently to run at an elite level constantly and would prefer man-coverage rather than zone on downs/scenarios that dictate a pass. In the future, I would love to be able to incorporate these concepts once personnel has been adjusted accordingly.

Offensively, it would depend on the QB we draft. If Barkley, I'm hiring an OC who is based in the WCO and a HC that understands (generally) those philosophies, even if it is a defensive minded coach. Additionally, I would want him to emphasize YAC and back shoulder throws consistently.

If Smith or Wilson, I would likely hire someone who continues with a zone-based blocking system (as I feel it fits our smaller, athletic OL better and our backs in Charles/Cyrus better in a 1-cut philosophy). The OC would also utilize PA consistently (via bootlegs off of our stretch play) and would encourage a deeper approach in terms of route concepts, specifically attacking the seams off of motion with our WRs/TEs and and the corners of the field (corners/deep outs, back shoulder throws).


I'm curious to see what you all would like to have as there are several talented minds here, IMO.

[cyborgtable]

Offensively I want an aggressive Erhardt-Perkins offense similar to what the saints run. Defensively I want to mimic Seattle's take on the over/under tampa 2 from that Monte ran in Tampa

[DaKCMan AP]

I want an offense that scores lots of points and a defense that stops the other team from scoring points.

[BlackHelicopters]

Don't care if we win 3-0 or 37-34.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I want an offense that scores lots of points and a defense that stops the other team from scoring points.

This.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sorter

We've done several "If you were the GM/HC etc." threads here. However, I'm curious to see what kind of base offensive or defensive philosophies you would choose to try and design the Chiefs with. I know a majority will and should chose to utilize a 1-ga principle defensively but am curious as to the other aspects.

Personally, I would hire coaches to install a 1-gap Phillips based 3-4. While I love the fire-zone philosophies, I think that they require even more athletic players than we have currently to run at an elite level constantly and would prefer man-coverage rather than zone on downs/scenarios that dictate a pass. In the future, I would love to be able to incorporate these concepts once personnel has been adjusted accordingly.

Offensively, it would depend on the QB we draft. If Barkley, I'm hiring an OC who is based in the WCO and a HC that understands (generally) those philosophies, even if it is a defensive minded coach. Additionally, I would want him to emphasize YAC and back shoulder throws consistently.

If Smith or Wilson, I would likely hire someone who continues with a zone-based blocking system (as I feel it fits our smaller, athletic OL better and our backs in Charles/Cyrus better in a 1-cut philosophy). The OC would also utilize PA consistently (via bootlegs off of our stretch play) and would encourage a deeper approach in terms of route concepts, specifically attacking the seams off of motion with our WRs/TEs and and the corners of the field (corners/deep outs, back shoulder throws).


I'm curious to see what you all would like to have as there are several talented minds here, IMO.

They don't strictly play 2-gap every play. They mix in 1-gap over/under philosophies as well as fire-zone. I personally don't think they are aggressive enough and should blitz more often. Dropping guys like Belcher and Houston into zone coverage is a huge mistake. Shit, I've seen them dropping Tamba into coverage and my mind is blown.

On offense we just need a more consistent QB. 90% of our runs are outside zone, and just this past game we started to really run the waggle off of it. The pick in overtime was Cassel proving he can't make reads. That play was a classic WCO curl/flat, and he stared down the curl the whole time. If you watch the replay he could have hit the flat for 4+, which is what you take with the WCO. Short passes = long hand off, which is what you want on something like 2nd and 6 (which I think it was).

[Woodchuck]

This is based on the personnel we currently have.

On defense, I would like to run an attacking style 3-4 defense similar to what Capers ran in Green Bay in 2010. It would be a 3-4 defense that uses the one gap and two gap. The guy that made Caper's defense go that year was Cullen Jenkins playing DE. When they lost him in 2011, their pass rush and the entire defense took a big hit.

To run this defense, I think we would want to use Poe in the same role the Pack used Jenkins. He would move around from RE to LE in the two gap and he would strictly play RE in the one gap. Ultimately, this would make Poe and the OLBs the focal point of the defense. The idea would be to really generate a pass rush around Poe or use him as a decoy to generate a pass rush elsewhere. Baltimore also does this with Ngata. The middle linebackers would mostly be used in zone coverage and gap closing roles with the occassional blitz. I can see us drafting Te'o (in addition to a QB). He and DJ would make a nice combination in this defense.

Unlike Green Bay, I think we better run a zone defense with the corners we have. Flowers is one of the best zone corners in the NFL and could end up like Ty Law if we would quit putting him in man coverage. Arenas is also better suited for zone. Berry needs to simply play strong safety and we need to just leave him back there. We need to stop being cute with him and he will make more plays. I think we have seen that the last couple of weeks. We need to get better at free safety. If we are going to run a blitz happy offense, we better have a free safety who can cover and tackle. We have to be solid back there.

I am not opposed to throwing in the occassional 2-3-6 defense to confuse QBs like Capers did in 2010. I just want to see it once every two weeks instead of ten times a game. We just need to simplify things imo. I can't see us moving someone around like Caper's did Charles Woodson but, Caper's base defensive foundation would be a good fit. Last, I'd like to give Kevin Green, Packers LB Coach, a chance to be the DC. I think he will be a great DC and put the smash mouth in the defense.

On offense, I would initially run the zone blocking scheme because we have a bunch of young linemen who are good at it. I would prefer bigger linemen who just bully people and wear them down but, we don't have the horses. I would slowly transition to that style of o-line. I would try and run an old fashioned Raiders offense. The #1 receiver is a possession guy, the #2 receiver is a burner, and a fast playmaking running back. The running game would be the focal point of the offense and the play action pass would be devistating. I would try and sign Mike Wallace and another free agent receiver with good hands until we can find a true possession receiver. McCluster will be perfect in the slot and the deep guy would open the middle up for him all day. A strong armed QB is a must and I guess that's the wildcard in all of this. I think Tyler Wilson is the guy we need. He doesn't hang the ball on the deep pass like the others. The key to this offense is the deep threat. If the opposition has to worry about Wallace, it helps Charles and everyone else. Last, I would get a true old school blocking FB to pave the way for Charles. We struggle at running the ball up the guy because we don't have this. I am so tired of not having a FB. I'd like to hire Tom Cable to be the OC. Like Green, he is also a smash mouth guy. I think he would do a great job as the OC and help in transitioning the zone blockers into maulers.

I think this would be the fastest way to success. I am still pretty open minded about a HC. I would prefer someone who has been in the league for a while instead of a college guy. He doesn't have to have had HC experience.

[Easy 6]

I want a one gap, attacking 3-4, its gotta be 3-4, i like the versatility of an extra LB.

On offense - strong running game, throw for chunks off play action - why we dont do more PA i'll never understand (ok i do, the qb sucks at it), the threat of Charles should make that effective all game long.

[ChiefMojo]

Personally I would run a attacking 1-Gap 3-4 defense and a offense based off of Shanahan/Kubiak's zone blocking, boot-leg, play action offense.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Offensively, it would depend on the QB we draft. If Barkley, I'm hiring an OC who is based in the WCO and a HC that understands (generally) those philosophies, even if it is a defensive minded coach. Additionally, I would want him to emphasize YAC and back shoulder throws consistently.

If Smith or Wilson, I would likely hire someone who continues with a zone-based blocking system (as I feel it fits our smaller, athletic OL better and our backs in Charles/Cyrus better in a 1-cut philosophy). The OC would also utilize PA consistently (via bootlegs off of our stretch play) and would encourage a deeper approach in terms of route concepts, specifically attacking the seams off of motion with our WRs/TEs and and the corners of the field (corners/deep outs, back shoulder throws).

cosign

we really need to get the staff right, and then trust they can identify and develop the right QB...I'm less wedded to a QB at this point then I am the idea of the right fit between QB and staff

defense..eh, whatever version of the 3-4 that sucks less than our current one...

[Chris Meck]

attacking one gap 3-4 as we almost have the personnel for it. Finally. I think you leave Poe at NT, let Dorsey walk, and let Bailey, Pit, Smith, and Jackson rotate at DE. Powe can spell Poe for a breather, just spotting a 'w'. Nyuck, nyuck.
We need a corner, and a better (healthy) option at FS.
I like the Pittsburgh style zone blitz; but you need LB's that can cover. The Wade Phillips style 3-4 would seem to fit the personnel better. I'm quite happy with Poe's progress and I think we can build the line around him going forward.

Offensively it depends on a few variables, namely who we hire as HC, OC, and who we draft to play QB. I think there are a few systems that have proven themselves at the NFL level and whichever suits the talents of the QB is good with me. For instance, if we hire Jay Gruden to HC, that would probably mean we draft Barkley and run the WCO. It's a good fit. If it were to be Chip Kelly, I think maybe you're looking at Geno Smith and Kelly's Oregon system...It kind of looks like half of the old Dallas system but I have no idea what the terminology, etc. is.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

They don't strictly play 2-gap every play. They mix in 1-gap over/under philosophies as well as fire-zone. I personally don't think they are aggressive enough and should blitz more often. Dropping guys like Belcher and Houston into zone coverage is a huge mistake. Shit, I've seen them dropping Tamba into coverage and my mind is blown.

On offense we just need a more consistent QB. 90% of our runs are outside zone, and just this past game we started to really run the waggle off of it. The pick in overtime was Cassel proving he can't make reads. That play was a classic WCO curl/flat, and he stared down the curl the whole time. If you watch the replay he could have hit the flat for 4+, which is what you take with the WCO. Short passes = long hand off, which is what you want on something like 2nd and 6 (which I think it was).

Some of us old-timers remember Dan Saleamua dropping back in coverage. Now that was messed up.

[T-post Tom]

I like the EMP defense & endorse the cut-Cassel offense.

[Mr. Laz]

We have passive schemes on both sides of the ball ... just is a bad idea.

You have to dictate/attack/create somewhere

[DaKCMan AP]

“Now, that I’m not exactly sure" /RAC