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ChiefMojo · 01-13-2013, 10:24 AM

Imo good QB and a good defense.

There are many good QB's out there that can win a Super Bowl but your not going to win a Super Bowl with a bad defense. Trent Green was a good QB that could have won us a Super Bowl with the type of offense we had but we had a bad defense.

If Joe Flacco can lead the Ravens, then any good QB can do the job.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-13-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

two things the Chiefs currently do not have lol

Strongly disagree about the pass rushers.

Give Hali and Houston a lead most of the time and see what happens.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

mcaj22 · 01-13-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Your goal should be to build as complete a team as possible, while making every effort t get the best QB possible.

But the two absolute must haves are QB and pass rush.

I think you can win with a Joe Flacco and an outsanding supporting cast.

I don't think you can say the same with Matt Schaub, though we need to see more of him as a playoff performer.

I am certain that you can not win a SB with the best defense in the league if you have a bottom half QB.

I agree about the last part- best defense bottom half QB. The Trent Dilfer theory proves that, pure outlier.

What you get into though with a certain (Majority) batch of NFL QBs is pure opinion. The glaring obvious of guys like Brady, Mannings, Rodgers, Big Ben being a elite QBs, fine. But you are walking into guess and check territory when you say Joe Flacco can win with a good guess.

Another person might not think Joe Flacco can win shit, and the question is, as a Chiefs fan, would you be happy wit ha Joe Flacco type QB to try and get you over the hump?

mcaj22 · 01-13-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Strongly disagree about the pass rushers.

Give Hali and Houston a lead most of the time and see what happens.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

in terms of TEAM pass rushing, 2 players does not a team pass rush make.

the best pass rushing teams have like 5 or 6 guys

chiefzilla1501 · 01-13-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

but the question is, what is an elite QB.

How many elite QBs are there in this game. We just watched two elite QBs yesterday lose to teams with much more inferior QBs. So what was it? Bad elite QB play or good defenses stopping those QBs with their average to good QB playing well

I guess my question is, how good does the QB have to be for Chiefs fans to be satisfied? Elite QB and poor defense or Good QB and Good defense? What is the better combination?

You're going to have 4 or 5 elite QBs per generation. That means in 10 years, only 4-5 teams are going to find their guy. Sadly, those guys are going to win more than half of Super Bowls. You can't be upset if we don't find an elite QB. A lot of that is luck (being really bad at just the right time). But you have to keep taking big risks. And if you're the Ravens and you have Flacco, I'd be satisfied but still keep options open, especially taking big chances in the draft.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-13-2013, 10:29 AM

That Packers d is built very well actually. Eagles d had talent too. Coaching was the downfall of both.

ChiefMojo · 01-13-2013, 10:29 AM

True I do feel we have the edge rushers in Hali and Houston. Hopefully a change to a 1-gap system will help those like Poe become a disruptive force in the middle. Still could use a upgrade at the DE spots imo.

Getting a lead will help our pass rush as we will know teams will have to throw to beat us. That gives our pass rushers more opportunities to get after the QB. As of late we are playing from behind... teams can just run the ball negating a pass rush or just keep us on our toes not knowing what a offense is going to do to us next.

Improvement in coaching will go a long ways also.

FringeNC · 01-13-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

That Packers d is built very well actually. Eagles d had talent too. Coaching was the downfall of both.

Yeah, the Pack had no idea how to contain the read option, and made zero adjustments.

ChiefMojo · 01-13-2013, 10:33 AM

Capers needed to spy one of his LB's on Kaperneck but he never did so.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-13-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

in terms of TEAM pass rushing, 2 players does not a team pass rush make.

the best pass rushing teams have like 5 or 6 guys

Huh?

Name me a team who has 5 guys who have at least 6 sacks.

SF is an elite pass rushing team, and they don't have that many.

milkman · 01-13-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I agree about the last part- best defense bottom half QB. The Trent Dilfer theory proves that, pure outlier.

What you get into though with a certain (Majority) batch of NFL QBs is pure opinion. The glaring obvious of guys like Brady, Mannings, Rodgers, Big Ben being a elite QBs, fine. But you are walking into guess and check territory when you say Joe Flacco can win with a good guess.

Another person might not think Joe Flacco can win shit, and the question is, as a Chiefs fan, would you be happy wit ha Joe Flacco type QB to try and get you over the hump?

I don't like Joe Flacco's inconsistency, but he has recently been a solid to big time performer in the playoffs, after starting off as a mediocre performer early.

I would probably be looking at the draft, year to year, for potential upgrades, but wouldn't make a change to simply make a change.

milkman · 01-13-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Huh?

Name me a team who has 5 guys who have at least 6 sacks.

SF is an elite pass rushing team, and they don't have that many.

I don't see where he said that a team has to have 5 guys with at least 6 sacks.

milkman · 01-13-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Capers needed to spy one of his LB's on Kaperneck but he never did so.

I really don't think a spy is the answer.

The way to defend the read option is to maintain gap discipline.

Over persuit as a defense will kill you against the read option.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-13-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

in terms of TEAM pass rushing, 2 players does not a team pass rush make.

the best pass rushing teams have like 5 or 6 guys

In a 3-4, you need elite pass rushing talent at the OLB position. You don't have to have elite pass rushers anywhere else. Aaron Smith, Brett Keisel, and Casey Hampton weren't guys who are going to get you a ton of sacks. Maybe 10 between the three of them. Their pressure comes from dependable linemen who can attack, creative blitz schemes that create pressure from the middle, and outstanding edge rushers (which we have).

We're not as far off as you think. Changing scheme alone is going to go a really long way.

**DeezNutz** · 01-13-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo

Capers needed to spy one of his LB's on Kaperneck but he never did so.

Actually, he did. But the LB wasn't able to contain or run with Kaep.

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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	Imo good QB and a good defense. There are many good QB's out there that can win a Super Bowl but your not going to win a Super Bowl with a bad defense. Trent Green was a good QB that could have won us a Super Bowl with the type of offense we had but we had a bad defense. If Joe Flacco can lead the Ravens, then any good QB can do the job.
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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	True I do feel we have the edge rushers in Hali and Houston. Hopefully a change to a 1-gap system will help those like Poe become a disruptive force in the middle. Still could use a upgrade at the DE spots imo. Getting a lead will help our pass rush as we will know teams will have to throw to beat us. That gives our pass rushers more opportunities to get after the QB. As of late we are playing from behind... teams can just run the ball negating a pass rush or just keep us on our toes not knowing what a offense is going to do to us next. Improvement in coaching will go a long ways also.
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