Ok, now for the GOOD of the Smith trade...

[petegz28]

Not to say there is a ton of good but let's try and point out some goodness from it since it is a done deal...

1. It means Cassel is gone....
2. We have a QB who actually has experience in college and more than part of 1 season in the pro's for the first time since?????
3. We still hold our #1 pick and could still pick up a QB in the draft
4. Smith is a viable backup should #3 come about


Ok, well that's all I got .....

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

Okay, so flame away, im used to it. I get it all the time on the 49ers board. Two years ago, the 49ers hired Jim Harbaugh. Everyone cheered. The 49ers then said they were keeping alex smith, place melted down. 20-6, two seasons later and a super bowl appearance Alex Smith is dropped on your door step under a coach who has a similar philosophy, and a great running attack. This team is going to finish no worse than second in the division. You arent going to turn the ball over. It is going to be okay. Seems like crap today. There is nothing that Geno Smith was going to offer this year that is better than what Alex Smith is going to give the Chiefs.

We didn't get Jim Harbaugh. We got Alex Smith without Jim Harbaugh.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

On the reality side, a far distant cousin of Joeckel will be in the draft and **** a QB when you can draft a franchise offensive lineman

That is correct.

[Brock]

A second round pick for another piece of shit qb. **** these guys.

[Floridafan]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

Okay, so flame away, im used to it. I get it all the time on the 49ers board. Two years ago, the 49ers hired Jim Harbaugh. Everyone cheered. The 49ers then said they were keeping alex smith, place melted down. 20-6, two seasons later and a super bowl appearance Alex Smith is dropped on your door step under a coach who has a similar philosophy, and a great running attack. This team is going to finish no worse than second in the division. You arent going to turn the ball over. It is going to be okay. Seems like crap today. There is nothing that Geno Smith was going to offer this year that is better than what Alex Smith is going to give the Chiefs.

We had the opportunity to pick a guy who:
1. Has a stronger arm that AS
2. Is faster than AS
3. Is less injury prone than AS
4. Is bigger and stronger than AS
5. Is about 8 years younger than AS
6. It is costing us two good draft selections that could have gone to defensive back, wide receiver etc etc etc.

You say GS had nothing to offer this year that is better than AS has to offer?
I beg to differ.

[Beef Supreme]

This trade stinks of mediocrity and there is no positive spin.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Namor40

He's very celebral, great at running the no-huddle and 2 minute offense, he'll be playing within the offense, won't force throws, will protect the ball and make plays when they are there.

Translation: He is an average at best QB who won't stretch the field and take chances because he is only capable of playing within the offense and cannot create offense on his own or throw people open.

Originally Posted by Namor40

Alternatively, if Reid just sat through the Combine, and decided to make this move now, that's a tremendous indictment of the lack of QB talent in this draft, at least early on. Reaching for someone like Geno Smith, who, let's face it, would be a 2nd rounder in most other drafts, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

That is just flat out wrong. Senior QBs putting up video game numbers in in a BCS conference with ridiculus TD:INT ratios and 70% completion percentages don't just fall to the 2nd round because the media idiots say so and they are too stupid to stop comparing this year's QBs to Luck and RG3.

Originally Posted by Namor40

Cassell is gone, and the new QB is someone that completed 70% of his passes the previous season.

Perhaps you haven't seen this:

Matt Cassel's career stats as of today: 58% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 173 yards/game, 82 TD to 57 INT, 160 sacks, and 24 40+ yard plays.

Alex Smith's career stats as of today: 59% completion, 6.6 yards/pass, 178 yards/game, 81 TD to 63 INT, 196 sacks, and 33 40+ yard plays.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by The Rick

First, not my thread.

Second, if he couldn't care less what I think, why is he telling me so?

You're such a ****ing stupid pussy.

Get the **** out, moron.

[Namor40]

Originally Posted by Floridafan

We had the opportunity to pick a guy who:
1. Has a stronger arm that AS

Doubtful. Alex Smith doesn't lack arm strength, he's just not a major risk taker....forcing the ball into coverage downfield...etc.

2. Is faster than AS

Still not sure how this matters when it comes to QB's. If it did, Tyrod Taylor and Joe Webb would be frontline starters. Both of them are sufficiently mobile and able to run.

3. Is less injury prone than AS

That remains to be seen, Alex was injury free throughout college, his only major injury was having his shoulder crushed by an unblocked defensive lineman burying him into the ground.

4. Is bigger and stronger than AS

Now this absolutely confuses me.


Geno Smith-6'2", 190

Alex Smith-6'4", 220

5. Is about 8 years younger than AS

And also incredibly raw, and as many have confirmed, not a guy teams would be comfortable with as a starter. If Geno Smith was everything people here claimed he was, Reid would have never traded for Alex Smith, but the reality is that in a decent draft, he's a 2nd rounder at best and someone that needs to sit and watch at the next level. Reaching for him just because he happens to be the best QB in a draft with mediocre QB talent doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

You say GS had nothing to offer this year that is better than AS has to offer?
I beg to differ.

Realistically, they were the same player coming out of college. Alex should have been the #1 pick and Geno shouldn't be either. Alex got thrown to the wolves and his career took a downwards spiral until he found a head coach that wasn't a reerun who thought that QB was "just another position out on the field." Since then, he's played more like the guy everyone thought he could be when he entered the league. I feel like he'll only keep improving under Reid.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its not about this season dumb****. Its about the next 10 to 15.

Danny Clinkscale just summed it up perfectly, even though he didn't mean to:

There was nothing ENTERTAINING about last year. They are going to play some ENTERTAINING football next year and get some competent QB play.

That's all Chiefs fan want. Entertainment and competetence. EXCELLENCE is optional.

[tecumseh]

This trade is crap. Should've at least traded 2nd's. So on to the draft. Just really NOT ethusiastic about the way things are going this upcoming season.

[The Rick]

Originally Posted by Brock

Go **** yourself, you stupid homer dick.

So much anger!

[The Rick]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're such a ****ing stupid pussy.

Get the **** out, moron.

Look! Here's another one!

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Not to say there is a ton of good but let's try and point out some goodness from it since it is a done deal...

1. It means Cassel is gone....not really, check their stats in the other thread...
2. We have a QB who actually has experience in college and more than part of 1 season in the pro's for the first time since?????so does cassel, now and last season...again....Smith really is not much different
3. We still hold our #1 pick and could still pick up a QB in the draftwe won't 8-(
4. Smith is a viable backup should #3 come aboutit won't


Ok, well that's all I got .....

sorry Pete.....not much there man

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by The Rick

First, not my thread.

Second, if he couldn't care less what I think, why is he telling me so?

I thought I was in the other thread. You know, the one where you're trying to bait everybody who hates the trade. So the question remains.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

Sign Alex Smith

Draft Jockel

Tag Bowe

Let Albert walk


Same team as last season

This.