Tarell Brown fired his agent for a really good reason.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If there was a mandatory parole hearing 3 years from today, I would expect my lawyer would at least call me to remind me.

Why? The lawyer is not going to jail if you don't show up.

Typical dumbass response. Somebody better remind me of my responsibilities or I will blame them for my problems.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Why? The lawyer is not going to jail if you don't show up.

Typical dumbass response. Somebody better remind me of my responsibilities or I will blame them for my problems.

If a lawyer stops serving you because it no longer fits his best interests, then he is a shitty lawyer. This is a service industry. Especially in the agency world where your reputation means everything, I'd want to think this agent would be smart enough to not let something like this slip past him, especially since he's the most well-versed on the specifics of the contract.

And again, the agent screwed himself because he now doesn't earn commission on that $2M. All he had to do was pick up the phone. You want to blame the player (who is, from reports, actually doing his own workouts) but not the agent who only had to pick up the phone and call.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If a lawyer stops serving you because it no longer fits his best interests, then he is a shitty lawyer. This is a service industry. Especially in the agency world where your reputation means everything, I'd want to think this agent would be smart enough to not let something like this slip past him, especially since he's the most well-versed on the specifics of the contract.

And again, the agent screwed himself because he now doesn't earn commission on that $2M. All he had to do was pick up the phone. You want to blame the player (who is, from reports, actually doing his own workouts) but not the agent who only had to pick up the phone and call.

Why are you so eager to accept the word of the player who just gave up 2 million dollars? Do you honestly think the agent never mentioned a 2 million dollar workout clause in this players contract?

It's not the agents responsibility to to make sure the player is following through with his obligations after the player has been told about the parameters of his contract. This is an employment contract and it is the employee's responsibility to know what is in his contract. You here all the time players say "it's a business". Well, dumbass, act like it's a business and take care of your side of the business.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Why are you so eager to accept the word of the player who just gave up 2 million dollars? Do you honestly think the agent never mentioned a 2 million dollar workout clause in this players contract?

It's not the agents responsibility to to make sure the player is following through with his obligations after the player has been told about the parameters of his contract. This is an employment contract and it is the employee's responsibility to know what is in his contract. You here all the time players say "it's a business". Well, dumbass, act like it's a business and take care of your side of the business.

The agent gets 3% commission on the workout clause. If the agent knew the clause existed, don't you think he would have been pushy about it? It seems to me that didn't happen, and that Brown genuinely did not know it was there. It looks like an oversight on both their parts.

If the agent who knows the contract gives advice and counsel that is incorrect, then it's his obligation to know the right answer before giving it. It's not like you can claim he had incomplete information. It sounds like he knew Brown wasn't attending and didn't check to see if that was okay, even worse if he was asked if it was okay and said "it's okay." Of course Brown bears some responsibility. But the agent is getting PAID to offer services and clearly failed, and of the two guys, the agent is the one with the expertise to fully understand the contract implications.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Why are you so eager to accept the word of the player who just gave up 2 million dollars? Do you honestly think the agent never mentioned a 2 million dollar workout clause in this players contract?

It's not the agents responsibility to to make sure the player is following through with his obligations after the player has been told about the parameters of his contract. This is an employment contract and it is the employee's responsibility to know what is in his contract. You here all the time players say "it's a business". Well, dumbass, act like it's a business and take care of your side of the business.

When the agent is set to receive $60k dollars for said workouts, he should be emailing, texting and checking with his client on a daily basis to ensure that said client is participating.

If the agent in question can prove that he did so, the player is at fault. If he can't, the agent is at fault.

You don't seem to understand the fact that the agent is employed by the player, not the other way around.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When the agent is set to receive $60,0 dollars for said workouts, he should be emailing, texting and checking with his client on a daily basis to ensure that said client is participating.

If the agent in question can prove that he did so, the player is at fault. If he can't, the agent is at fault.

You don't seem to understand the fact that the agent is employed by the player, not the other way around.

The agent should be owed that money either way since he negotiated into the contract.
Yeah I can definitely understand sending out reminders. But that doesn't mean that a person should have to do that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

The agent should be owed that money either way since he negotiated into the contract.
Yeah I can definitely understand sending out reminders. But that doesn't mean that a person should have to do that.

The agent doesn't get paid until the player gets paid, so yes, the agent should be following up with the client.

And yes, the agent shroud be reminding his client everyday. Don't you understand that's the agent responsibility?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The agent doesn't get paid until the player gets paid, so yes, the agent should be following up with the client.

And yes, the agent shroud be reminding his client everyday. Don't you understand that's the agent responsibility?

I wouldn't think an agent is suppose to be a babysitter on a contract that player signed. That player should be aware of every aspect of that contract before he signs his name.

How many athletes does each agent represent?
I don't know how all the exacts of these contracts work. But I see a huge difference in a bonus for simply showing up and an performance bonus. The agent should be entitled to the money because the player just had to be there it wasn't for performance. But I don't think the agent should of had to tell the player where he was suppose to be get 2 million dollars. The player should have had that marked on his calendar.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

The agent should be owed that money either way since he negotiated into the contract.
Yeah I can definitely understand sending out reminders. But that doesn't mean that a person should have to do that.

Agents don't earn the money until its paid
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[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

When the agent is set to receive $60k dollars for said workouts, he should be emailing, texting and checking with his client on a daily basis to ensure that said client is participating.

If the agent in question can prove that he did so, the player is at fault. If he can't, the agent is at fault.

You don't seem to understand the fact that the agent is employed by the player, not the other way around.

Then as an employer wouldn't you think it would be wise to know as much about the contract parameters as your employee? Especially since it could cost you 2 million dollars if you don't. Part of being an employer is being responsible for the actions of your employees.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Then as an employer wouldn't you think it would be wise to know as much about the contract parameters as your employee? Especially since it could cost you 2 million dollars if you don't. Part of being an employer is being responsible for the actions of your employees.

You clearly do not understand the world of "talent", nor are you willing to step outside your bubble to do so.

[Chiefshrink]

Both have incentive to make $$ thus both are responsible. And let's see IF the agent was really negligent here. Knowing this is how he get's paid, I bet the farm he shows he covered his ass and this is Brown trying to save face

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You clearly do not understand the world of "talent", nor are you willing to step outside your bubble to do so.

Define "talent".

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Then as an employer wouldn't you think it would be wise to know as much about the contract parameters as your employee? Especially since it could cost you 2 million dollars if you don't. Part of being an employer is being responsible for the actions of your employees.

The players responsibility is to play and to comply with his contract as directed by his agent. The agents responsibility is to be aware of all contractual terms, communicate them to his client, and ensure his client complies. The agents job isn't done once the contract is signed, it it's just beginning.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by vailpass

The players responsibility is to play and to comply with his contract as directed by his agent. The agents responsibility is to be aware of all contractual terms, communicate them to his client, and ensure his client complies. The agents job isn't done once the contract is signed, it it's just beginning.

Oh I get your point about the agent's job to wipe this guy's ass as well especially with this younger generation that doesn't know a thing about real work ethic, responsibility,commitment, discipline, accountability, etc...... BUT LET's see first if the agent was really negligent. And IF he wasn't negligent then it's just another lesson in, no matter how much you talk,yell,or scream the obvious you can't change or control another adult human being's actions or lack thereof.