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08-01-2013, 08:09 AM | #121 | |
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I don't think they should be banned for life, but if a HOF voter wants to vote no on guys like Bonds and Clemens I don't care. I'm not going to feel bad for them, because ultimately they have themselves to blame. |
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Doctoring a ball changes the nature of the game. Using a non-conforming bat changes the nature of the game. Being stronger, less injured, etc. when arriving at the ballpark does not. If players were dropping dead, that would be one thing. They aren't, though. They are healing faster and having longer careers. There is something inherently wrong with telling players "yes you're injured...yes you're going to have to retire at 36 because your body is breaking down...yes you could be healthy, pain-free, and at your peak for another decade by taking steroids under the supervision of your doctor...but we're going to make you sit there and deal with it as your body breaks down and forces you into retirement at age 35...you know...for your own good". Then, we pat ourselves on the backs before going to watch the NFL where 250 pound Linebackers running 4.5 40s smash people into oblivion...and bitch that the league has become pussified because they can't target heads. How hypocritical can we get?
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And for the record I think using steroids is cheating but if you don't ban them then I don't see how you can punish players who use them. |
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08-01-2013, 09:01 AM | #125 | |
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Baseball's HOF is a little different in that respect because it specifically says that character should be considered, so a voter wouldn't be unreasonable to say that Sosa or Bonds corrupted the record books and that's a character issue. Or a voter could say, "I considered it and decided I don't care." |
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Like I said, it's not the HOF or writers fault MLB was slow to react. I agree the writers are too full of themselves, though. There's definitely something distasteful about the pompous way a lot of these guys view the process. |
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What I don't respect is people hiding behind being concerned about the safety of the players. That's either wild hypocrisy or a lie. Nobody who is a fan of the NFL is losing sleep over the safety of MLB players. Nobody
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The HOF is a joke on the level of the Pro Bowl, so I don't really give a shit about that part of it, anyway.
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And really that's MLBs only actual concrete influence over the HOF. The HOF laws say players on the banned list aren't eligible to come up for a vote. So, in a way MLB was threatening him with a HOF ban in a roundabout way. And I think it was probably effective, because A Rod obviously has a huge ego and I have to believe he thinks he'll get in someday and he really wants to be in. Whether or not roid users should, shouldn't be is a side topic. |
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For those who think baseball records are being corrupted by steroids...
Charles Radbourn won 59 games in a season. John Coleman lost 48 games in a season. Matt Kilroy struck out 513 batters in a season. Hugh Duffy hit .440 in a season. Baseball records don't mean shit. The game has changed...and changed...and changed. There is already a dead ball era and a live ball era...a segregated era and an integrated era...seasons with 70, 60, 84, 98, 112, 126, 140, 154, 132, and 162 game schedules...one league and two leagues...no divisions, four divisions, six divisions...postseasons with 2, 4, 6, and 8 teams...no interleague play and interleague play, etc. etc. etc. Why so many people hold onto the idea that baseball records are somehow special when compared to other sports is beyond me.
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One thing I know is the steroids in baseball debate is one of the least satisfying in sports and I think most people generally regret getting into it again every time they do.
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One side rails against steroids but can't really form a coherent argument for why. The other side can make logical arguments for allowing them but still feels dirty for doing so.
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