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09-15-2013, 08:25 PM | #856 | |
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Maybe he brings in Crow or Collins or whoever and HE gives up a HR. That would suck. But it's the thinking behind the move, the logic of keeping Guthrie in, that is indefensible and bodes very poorly for down the road. |
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09-15-2013, 08:25 PM | #857 | |
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The team is what they are, regardless of the manager, and simple dumb luck also plays into it. Sometimes teams win more than they should for no particular reason, and the manager should get almost zero credit for that. Regarding Guthrie, if he would have gotten the three outs without a HR, no one would have remembered it. Ned may have even been seen as a genious for sticking with "the hot hand". People only remember the negative, never remember the positive, they give way too much blame/credit to the manager and way too little blame/credit to the only guy who actually should be held accountable: the GM. Getting this crazy-angry at Ned for a few selected games and decisions strikes me as primitive mobs wanting to burn a witch. The players, and only the players, are going to determine a team's season, along with a large amount of blind dumb luck, presuming the manager doesn't sabotage them with pitching injuries or small-ball. If the players fail, then blame the guy who brought those players together: Dayton Moore. If the Royals do not make the playoffs in 2014, I will not care about Ned at all. I'll instead be calling for DM to be fired.
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09-15-2013, 08:27 PM | #858 | |
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09-15-2013, 08:30 PM | #859 | |
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You've stated in the past that you believe that Ned is the most competent manager we've had in the last decade. While that might be true, he's proven time and time again that he has no business overseeing a contender. Finally, considering that Ned often uses small-ball to the point where the Royals seem like an NL team, I do not understand how you're using that as an argument to defend him. Last edited by Chiefspants; 09-15-2013 at 08:38 PM.. |
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09-15-2013, 08:32 PM | #860 |
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I do think baseball fans tend to remember and keep track of the games the manager loses but rarely remember the games where a decision or two might have helped win a game. I think that's pretty common across the board. It's the nature of being a baseball manager I guess.
That said I do think Yost cost us the game today. Guthrie had actually pitched well the last couple innings before the 8th. It's funny though... the move just didn't feel right. For all the stats and metrics... it just gave you a gut feeling that it was a bad move, regardless of anything else. It's a shame in such a big game Yost didn't turn to this team's biggest strength. Hard to justify that. |
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09-15-2013, 08:32 PM | #861 | |
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09-15-2013, 08:34 PM | #862 |
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I get what alnorth is saying. But that doesn't change the fact that there is not a single cogent argument for sticking with Guthrie.
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Look at the dumbass moves with Collins, pitching him like a typical pitcher even though his split against hitters is reverse of typical, yet Ned uses him wrong ALL year. Or the continued use of Herrera in 8th inning spots even when he was struggling. And in the case of starting pitchers, none of them are going to say they need to come out. They all think they've still got it at any point in the game. It makes NO sense to leave Guts in there today. He'd already given up way to many base runners and was lucky with the score where it was. I'm not one that only focuses on negatives like many here, but Ned's management of pitching the past few weeks has not been good. I think we're all just frustrated with how close we are.
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09-15-2013, 08:35 PM | #865 |
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So alnorth, by that standard, no manager should ever be held accountable for the performance of their team.
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09-15-2013, 08:44 PM | #866 | |
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The manager has a bigger impact than you are giving him credit for.
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09-15-2013, 08:47 PM | #867 |
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You guys need to read the Cardinal thread on here nightly. They bitch and moan all the time about Mathney, hell they did with LaRussa as well. Its not just a Ned Yost thing.
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09-15-2013, 08:48 PM | #868 |
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LaRussa still won World Series. Please do not compare Ned to him.
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So Nost left Guthrie out there today to help him get a win. Do you think Yost has been taking a similar approach with hitting? That is putting an emphasis on letting batters swing away to get practice on trying to hit home runs (that is, fire Seitzer because we need to hit more home runs). There have been so many times this year where the royals just needed good situational hitting (sac fly, etc) and they just can't execute. The announcers on the game today (Ripken etc) were commenting on how Lorenzo Cain looked like he was swinging for the fences with men on 2nd and 3rd. And that he just needed to shorten swing and focus on an RBI. I have wondered all season if Yost has not put a focus on situational hitting in an effort to "get more home runs."
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09-15-2013, 08:50 PM | #870 | |
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The 3 outs Guthrie recorded looked pretty routine to me, he just ran into someone who got a hold of one. It could have happened in the 5th instead of the 8th.
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