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View Poll Results: Who do you want to win Sunday?
Raiders - #1 draft pick or bust! 83 33.60%
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:03 PM  
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:13 AM   #166
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If we're using the quality of the QB as a measure of how imporant the team believes the position to be, then Oakland's in that group too.

Palmer was finished and nobody in their right mind thought Oakland should've forked that much over to obtain his services.
They probably made a mistake, but that's not the point.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:14 AM   #167
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They probably made a mistake, but that's not the point.
Sure it is.

Again what's the measure for whether or not a team deems QB to be the most important position on the field?
Their investment? Their attention to the matter? Because then you could argue that the Chiefs moves since 2009 show that they believe QB is the most important position on the field.

That's why I tried to push this back to a strict discussion of finding the right QB through the draft.
This becomes a messy conversation any other way.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:17 AM   #168
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Sure it is.

Again what's the measure for whether or not a team deems QB to be the most important position on the field? Their investment? Their attention to the matter?

That's why I tried to push this back to a strict discussion of finding the right QB through the draft.
This becomes a messy conversation any other way.
Oakland was willing to give 2 first round picks for Palmer. That pretty much says it all.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:23 AM   #169
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Oakland was willing to give 2 first round picks for Palmer. That pretty much says it all.
So a team's investment is a measure of how important they deem the QB position to be? Fair enough. The Chiefs traded a #2 for Cassel and gave him $63m when they already had him locked up for 2009.

That was easy.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:25 AM   #170
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So a team's investment is a measure of how important they deem the QB position to be? Fair enough. The Chiefs traded a #2 for Cassel and gave him $63m when they already had him locked up for 2009.

That was easy.
What have they done to address the position since?
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:53 AM   #171
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What have they done to address the position since?
Not much, but they're at the end point of that decision's trajectory.

We're on the same page here. Let's focus on the original topic:
"drafting your quarterback of the future."

Because Oakland hasn't done much about that either since the end of 2009. Spending top draft choices on a finished Palmer wasn't the answer either. If anything, they made the more recent version of KC's trade debacle.

On one point we agree, we both want to see a QB drafted high in April.

I just don't think losing necessarily accomplishes that.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:21 PM   #172
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The lets lose faction has made brilliant, go before the Supreme Court arguments for weeks now, and at the root of it all they're probably right... but i just. cant. hope for a loss.

Just cant do it, fling the rotten vegetables & whip the batteries if you must...

I'm a total idiot, but I can't either. I just can't. I think I would be able to if it weren't for this fact:
With the way the draft has changed, we can move up in the draft, and get our QB regardless. If I knew for a fact that winning the west would keep us from getting a QB I absolutely would root for losses. I just don't think that's the case.
If Pioli is still here he may pass on a QB anyway. There are going to be 4 QBs worth drafting, and we will be able to get one even if we win 9 games.
My dream scenario: We go on a tear. Berry comes back to form, and the D gets their shit together and becomes the dominant unit I thought they could be. We stomp Denver's ass, Quinn shows enough promise to stay here as a decent back up, We win the west and win a PO game.
AND WE TRADE UP AND DRAFT BARKLEY.
These are all dreams of course.
As soon as we are mathematically eliminated from PO contention, I will root for losses.
Until then, I just can't shake the DREAM of beating Denver's ass for the west crown. I know it's silly and will NEVER happen, but that doesn't mean I can't root for it to happen.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:54 PM   #173
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Oakland was willing to give 2 first round picks for Palmer. That pretty much says it all.
Hindsight being 20/20 I like Palmer he is a capable QB but we would be better now if we would have just waited for Jason Campbell to heal and kept our picks.
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So a team's investment is a measure of how important they deem the QB position to be? Fair enough. The Chiefs traded a #2 for Cassel and gave him $63m when they already had him locked up for 2009.

That was easy.
Rather than trying to parse the importance the Chiefs place in the position, why don't we take a more literal approach and take our incompetent GM's word for it when he says, as he did during his recent apology tour, that the QB position is no more important now than it has ever been?
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